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Third place for me. Need to beat France too for that. France seem to be very narrow favourites with the bookies for their game with England.

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Women's Football / Re: SheBelieves Cup
« on: February 27, 2018, 05:08:31 PM »
Very tight polling, and only one day remaining.  ;) Will there be any last minute stampede?

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Women's Football / Re: SheBelieves Cup
« on: February 22, 2018, 04:28:51 PM »
I definitely pressed the right button. I hope we don't need an electoral scrutiniser to oversee things.  :o

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Women's Football / SheBelieves Cup
« on: February 21, 2018, 08:13:24 PM »
Please vote. Polling closes on the 28th Feb.

Germany are the 'best', so they have my vote.

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Women's Football / Re: Match fixing in the BBC Gossip section
« on: January 28, 2018, 04:11:23 PM »
There's just as much money in 2/1 or whatever the odds are in the women's game as there is 2/1 in the men's game. Or any other sport for that matter.

There could be completely innocent reasons for the increases too. More interest in general or maybe people see it as a good opportunity to 'beat' the bookies.

I suppose somebody with all the data may be able to spot patterns of potential 'interference'.

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Announcements / Re: Future of the forum again
« on: January 24, 2018, 10:08:32 PM »
Sorry, only just noticed this. I completely agree Cabbages. :)

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England International Football / Re: PHIL NEVILLE - England Manager?
« on: January 24, 2018, 10:04:58 PM »
At least this appointment, and the news stories that have emerged today around it are great material for keeping a discussion forum going.

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Announcements / Re: Honoring The Memory Of Alan
« on: September 08, 2015, 06:53:19 PM »
I'm sorry to hear of Alan passing away. I'm not active on this forum these days, but we had quite a collection of people at one time who used to discuss women's football in Norway, which was something unusual.Alan contributed a huge amount to that.

I shall look back on that time with fondness. RIP Alan.

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Women's Football / Re: Female appointed boss for French men's team
« on: June 23, 2014, 07:49:03 PM »
She's not taken up the role after all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27984653


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Quite the opposite, it is you, et al, who want to deny women of the opportunity to play football with men on equal terms, but refuse to give an reasoned argument as to why not!

I suppose an argument against fairfootball (the amended game), is that people (men, women, boys girls etc) currently play football because they enjoy it the way it is. The solution of fairfootball that you have produced, to the perceived 'issue' of segregation, would destroy the game that everybody enjoys. Hence a potential reason why fairfootball has not been taken on board by anyone as far as we can tell..

Nobody is denying people the opportunity of trying the game of fairfootball. If you feel that you have a winning idea, then your challenge is to find wider interest in it. That doesn't appear to be on this forum so far.

For what it is worth, I don't think you are 'mad' at all fairfootball (the forum member), and you have been polite with your posts.

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European Women's Football / Re: Turbine Potsdam 2013-14
« on: May 20, 2014, 07:35:20 PM »
A German traffic warden! I suppose somebody has to do it.

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Women's Football / Re: Female appointed boss for French men's team
« on: May 12, 2014, 07:31:14 PM »
I think you might be 'flogging a dead horse' with this one fairfootball, and there are apparently no recruits on this forum to your idea. At least you have got the benefit of plenty of feedback to reflect upon.

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Women's Football / Re: Writers wearing blinkers
« on: March 07, 2014, 05:14:42 PM »
I've only quickly looked at it, but the blog looks quite professional me, and so they should be commended for their efforts in my opinion.

One of the benefits of the internet is of course that it is fairly easy to create a blog/website. If there is a gap for the other 98% of women's football, then why not create your own blog if you feel there is an interesting theme, which might attract a following.

You might already have one for all I know, but it was just a thought.

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I voted not sure. We don't know the financial side of things, which I think is the key to this really.

There is a huge legacy debt associated with Wembley >£250m, and so they need big money making events. I'm not sure that women's football falls into this category. If a match at Wembley was ultimately a money loser, which seems likely, then I would rather see that money spent elsewhere.

I also like the idea of matches such as internationals, FA Cup final etc being shown around the country. It gives more people the chance to see games, and there are enough things based in London already.

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Off Topic / Re: Censored Question to Women Play Sport 2013 Conference
« on: February 19, 2014, 07:50:07 PM »
I don't know if you've ever seen this Telegraph article, and it is different from your 'vision' Fairfootball, but I thought you might find it interesting. There is also another article from Dr Lawson on the website. You may be able to use these academics as a potential channel for your ideas.

Splitting school PE lessons by gender 'damages girls'

An academic calls for gender-neutral PE lessons, insisting the traditional vision of football for boys and netball for girls is fuelling gender stereotypes in later life.

Teachers should stop segregating boys and girls in PE lessons because school sport is fuelling gender “prejudice” in later life, an academic has warned.

Pupils should be given equal access to all sports and take part in mixed competitions to stop girls being pigeonholed as weak, it was claimed.

Sian Lawson, senior lecturer in sports coaching at Northumbria University, suggested that segregated PE lessons were an “historic hangover from Victorian values” that see boys and girls as having different needs.

She insisted there was no physical reason to view “female bones as more breakable or girls more fragile when given the same level of exercise”.

Many teachers justify pushing girls into netball and boys towards football to avoid sexual harassment or discrimination.

But Dr Lawson said the “controlled environment” of the school playing field was the “best opportunity these potential adults have to learn to respect each other”.

The comments come amid a continuing debate over standards of childhood exercise and physical activity, particularly among girls.

Research published earlier this month by the University of Pennsylvania found that the brains of men and women were wired up differently which could explain some stereotypical male and female behaviour.

But Dr Lawson said many differences were down to cultural reasons, with school sport acting as one of the key barriers to equality.

“If everyone trains and competes on equal terms, the biologically slower can up their game, and if the fast naturally rise to the top no one should object,” she said. “If we aspire to believe in individual variation over stereotyping, and equality of opportunity, then why not let our children start with that?”

Research from the Department for Culture, Media and Sport in the summer found a quarter of girls aged five to 10 had not taken part in any sport over in the previous month – a rise of almost 50 per cent in five years.

Separate research by the Women's Sport and Fitness Foundation revealed that just over half of girls – 51 per cent – are put off physical activity by their experiences of school sport and PE lessons.

But Dr Lawson insisted that the subject could be used to actually break down barriers between the sexes.

Writing for Telegraph.co.uk, Dr Lawson quoted a Northumbria University study that found no physical distinction in the coaching required for elite male and female athletes.

She said: “There’s no physiological reason why boys should play football and girls rounders, indeed in the USA soccer is a ‘girls sport’ and baseball is ‘for boys’.

“Even within the traditionally male sports women are now showing that they can compete on equal terms, despite typically receiving less training.”

Dr Lawson added: “As an anatomist I haven't yet found a reason to see young female bones as more breakable or girls more fragile when given the same level of exercise.

“In schools we’ve already created a fairly even group by dividing children into age-based classes. More to the point we don’t segregate the class on the basis of height or strength, we segregate for gender.

“The idea of women as unambiguously weaker is so deeply ingrained that sometimes we don’t notice that we’ve made that assumption. Here we are teaching that idea to children, without questioning it ourselves.”

But the comments were branded “absurd” by traditionalists who insisted parents would be “horrified” by the idea of joint lessons.

Chris McGovern, a former independent school headmaster and chairman of the Campaign for Real Education, said: “It’s just political correctness. There are clear physiological differences between boys and girls.

“It’s possible to mix them in the early primary years but it’s just commonsense to split them when they get older and you’ve having full blown tackles in rugby and football because boys are stronger. It’s an absurd idea and it will horrify parents.”

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10528867/Splitting-school-PE-lessons-by-gender-damages-girls.html


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Off Topic / Re: Censored Question to Women Play Sport 2013 Conference
« on: February 08, 2014, 01:32:35 PM »
In Norway there are girls playing in boys' teams up to about 17 years old and with that experience behind them they are in demand at the elite women's clubs.  Last month a 17-year-old girl keeper who has played in a boy's club 'all her life' made her debut in the women's senior international team  (the team that reached the Final of the European Cup in the summer) in a 1-1 draw against England.
Match report: http://www.womensfootball.eu/forum/index.php/topic,7806.msg77120.html#msg77120

That's a heart warming story from across the North Sea, but it doesn't add much really.

What I'd find more interesting, and pertinent to this thread is whether segregated sports at school in Norway, the other Scandinavian countries or Finland are considered illegal, because it is an inequality, which is the starting point of Fairfootball's approach.

If they are illegal have they subsequently addressed this situation by recoding all the games. i.e. fairfootball, fairhandball etc. Discussing the merits, or not as the case maybe of these games is another matter in their own right.

These Nordic countries are often regarded, on some measures, as being the most equal in the world. Although by no means definitive for our situation, I would find their approach as food for thought.

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Off Topic / Re: Censored Question to Women Play Sport 2013 Conference
« on: February 03, 2014, 10:14:06 PM »
OK thanks for giving that extra detail. The guidance is from the department of education and the .gov.uk site. I doubt that we'll be able to 'bottom this out' on here, but I can appreciate what you are saying.

I would add though, in my eyes at least, that the law is there to serve the people, and the responses on here indicate to me that a radical change to football at school wouldn't be welcomed or regarded as necessary. So, even if there is an inequality within the current law there is no desire to pursue it. And presumably the law can also be amended to reflect the will of the people.

I take your point about it also applying to other sports too.

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Off Topic / Re: Censored Question to Women Play Sport 2013 Conference
« on: February 03, 2014, 04:20:19 PM »
I do find some of the responses attracted here discomforting, and a little bit like 'wolf pack' behaviour to be honest.

New ideas and approaches are often ridiculed, but as I believe Wernher Von Braun is sometimes quoted as having said 'You're just a crackpot until you hit the jackpot', and so maybe it's human nature to laugh and poke fun.

Anyway, fairfootball, having read your basic point that you are making, which is below:

I have had cause to read, and reread, the Equality Act 2010, many times.  Section 195 of the Act makes it crystal clear that the opt-out, allowing sport to discriminate by gender, does not extend to children.  Paragraph 4 specifically excludes them.  Furthermore, Part 6 of the Act, which covers all education, makes no reference to, or concessions for, sport whatsoever.
In short this means that schools up and down the country, that are, on a daily basis, either, segregating the sexes for physical education, offering different sports for boys and girls, or, using gender-affected activities, in any form, without good reason, are doing so illegally.  Children, of either sex, or their parents, would be well within their rights to seek legal redress.

I can understand the point that you are making, but when I read Section 195 of the Act I got the impression that sport could be an exception. I'm no legal expert of any kind and legislation is never the most riveting read, but that's what I concluded.

I then thought that what you had raised probably wasn't entirely new, and had probably already been covered somewhere. So searching the internet there appears to be guidance for schools in England on the Equality Act 2010, which is here:

http://www.educationengland.org.uk/documents/pdfs/2012-guidance-2010-equality-act.pdf

More specifically Section 3.20 (Single Sex Sport) states:

3.20 Although the Equality Act forbids discrimination in access to benefits, facilities and services; the Act does contain an exception which permits single sex sports. It applies to participation in any sport or game, or other activity of a competitive nature, where the physical strength, stamina or physique of the average woman (or girl) would put her at a disadvantage in competition with the average man (or boy). But while this exception might permit a mixed school to have a boys only football team, the school would still have to allow girls equal opportunities to participate in comparable sporting activities. The judgment on whether girls would be at a physical disadvantage needs to take into account the particular group in question, so it is much less likely to justify segregated sports for younger children. Where separate teams exist, it would be unlawful discrimination for a school to treat one group less favourably – for example by providing the boys’ hockey or cricket team with much better resources than the girls’.

I admit that this is only a superficial search for information, but it doesn't seem to me that the assertion that you are originally making is totally sound or crystal clear. That's just my thoughts. (Everybody will hopefully now sleep much better tonight.  :D)


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Women's Football / Re: FAWSL is it contravening UEFA regulations?
« on: January 28, 2014, 06:09:29 PM »
Out of interest, for anyone who knows, is there any other league in europe, mens or womens, that uses the franchise system?

I'm not sure, but the women's Eredivisie in the Netherlands may have been. There are brief details in the Dutch section on here.

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Women's Football / Re: FAWSL is it contravening UEFA regulations?
« on: January 28, 2014, 06:03:07 PM »
This whole summer experiment is a farce, TBH. I dont understand the motives whatever.  I believe Kelly Symonds said it was to give the league the best chance but the whole thing seems so ill thought out.


Our TV, newpapers and, radio etc are saturated with men's football during the winter. In these days of satellite, cable tv etc you also have to contend with top class European leagues too. IMHO I don't think women's football will get much recognition during the winter.

That might sound depressing, but probably realistic.

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