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Women's Football / Re: Professional contracts
« on: July 13, 2019, 10:14:52 AM »
Thats great best of luck to her, its something we l definatly look into

And best of luck to your daughter, too!  :)

Women's Football / Re: Professional contracts
« on: July 13, 2019, 07:01:33 AM »
Cheers guys

Great insightful posts appreciated, are your two daughters playing? And how they getting on?

My daughter had pro contract offers, but decided to go to the USA anyway since she was offered a full scholarship. Once you sign a pro contract, that door would have been closed (you have to be considered an amateur to go to USA unis on scholarship) and she really wanted the experience of being in another country and getting her degree.

Women's Football / Re: Professional contracts
« on: July 11, 2019, 07:48:17 PM »
When my daughter was 16 and at the end of  her final year of her RTC, players chose one of these routes:
1. Stay at their club and move up to the u21s
2. Move to a different club and join their u21s
3. Join a championship team and negotiate their expenses payment and other extras.

Getting as much match time as possible with the strongest team and the best coaching seemed to be most kid’s priority.

After two years when they are nearing 18 or actually 18, then they can  start looking for pro contracts or go to the USA for uni. Some kids get agents at this point but it’s not always necessary. If a club is interested, they will get in contact and a few clubs have trials.

Women's Football / Re: Professional contracts
« on: July 10, 2019, 10:21:50 AM »
Others may correct me, but...

Unless your daughter is the superstar of her age group in the country, 16 would be very young for a WSL/championship club to consider offering a full pro contract that would include salary, housing, etc. My understanding is that WSL clubs generally wait until a player is 18, or nearly 18, to offer pro contracts. Some clubs (mainly championship clubs but some WSL too) do offer expenses-only contracts for 16 year olds. 

Women's Football / Re: Playing at different levels
« on: February 20, 2019, 09:10:27 AM »
I know of several players who have done this and the teams have to be in different tiers. From what I've heard, being on two teams doesn't always work and can create confusion in terms of training, matches and medical/physio care.

No idea where to find more info about it, but presumably it's somewhere on the FA website.

Girl's Centres of Excellence / Re: RTC 3 year Licence
« on: January 25, 2019, 11:37:33 AM »
Re first team players playing in dev squad matches... It's easy to forget that the main purpose of reserves teams is to service the first team, so of course reserve squad players have to make way for first team players who are playing down. It might feel unfair to lose matches to reserve teams with first team players on them, but it's a great experience for players to test themselves against older, more experienced players.

Girl's Centres of Excellence / Re: England’s squad/camps
« on: December 08, 2018, 12:40:04 PM »
There are a lot of English Schools (ESFA) national  trials at the moment which gets very confusing to people as they don't understand the difference and many believe they are trialing for the England FA U15's Team.

The ESFA England U15 squad will have one training session in Netherlands and then play one tournament in Spain next year against Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Its a good stepping stone but I don't know how much notice the FA take of it as not all the best players will trial for it.

The Final selection is 9th December at Stafford Town FC where the 4 regions, 16 players each, will play off to select one squad.

It does give many girls another platform to be seen and should rightly be consider a great honour to get a cap for English Schools.

The FA take note by no longer allowing girls on the national team list (not sure if that includes the long list or just the short list of national team players) to trial for England Schools because of the potential for overuse/injury and clashes with dates.

Girl's Centres of Excellence / Re: London Bees Academy Shambles
« on: October 22, 2018, 10:19:06 AM »
Do we actually need an rtc system ?  Would it not be better to put the money into strong regional leagues and encouraging clubs with good facilities such as non-league clubs with 3Gs etc to set up stronger girls and women's sections.    They could supplement it with PDCs post 14 and WSL and championship clubs could run their youth teams in the regional leagues.
Do we need RTCs? This question comes up a lot, probably because it's a tricky one to answer. I don't think that any system is perfect, and there are pros and cons to having an RTC system. At the end of the day, though, we need a system that can spot and nurture talent. The RTC system is by no means perfect (and it has some major flaws including lack of geographical distribution), but I agree with Proudmum that one of the most important things is that the girls have to play with the best players possible in order to learn from each other and improve. They also need to play matches against other strong teams who challenge them. Winning week after week is just a waste of time for everyone. It seems to me that having strong regional clubs (or having clubs with astros set up girls/women's sections) would end up just being another elite system where the strongest players pile into the strongest teams. The other question (which I can't answer) is whether regional leagues would have good enough teams to challenge teams fielded by WSL and championship clubs.

The one thing that does seem effective, at this point, is keeping girls with talent/potential in grassroots boys' teams until they are at least fourteen. From my observations over the years (my daughter has gone through the RTC age groups, academy system and England squad, so I've been around a while), the girls who played football with boys before entering the RTCs are usually the strongest players in terms of physicality, football understanding and technical ability. Of course, that's not a hard and fast rule. After that, those girls need more of a challenge than what most grassroots girls' teams can offer, which is where RTCs are needed. (And before anyone gets annoyed at me, of course there are some really good grassroots girls teams out there who play good football and get good coaching, etc, so I'm not dissing grassroots). In time, however, with more and more girls playing football from younger ages, it might not be long before girls' grassroots has enough of a critical mass of players to make Croc's suggestion work. I just don't think we are at that point yet.

Girl's Centres of Excellence / Re: First pro contract
« on: September 24, 2018, 05:19:41 PM »
It's definitely true that contracts are not given until a player turns 18 (although I did hear that it was allowed, but never offered, to 17-year olds). Clubs can pay expenses to under-18 year olds and they are eligible for sponsorship. Some clubs are more generous than others with their expenses payments.

Girl's Centres of Excellence / Re: England’s squad/camps
« on: March 22, 2018, 10:26:26 AM »
Thank you bananas

I’m guessing they start looking at the under 14 age group

Under-14s get selected for the National Performance Camps so that's an opportunity to get seen, too.  :).

Girl's Centres of Excellence / Re: England’s squad/camps
« on: March 20, 2018, 11:50:05 AM »
Hi all

How are the england squad/camps generally picked?
Are players reccomended by their rtc’s/technical directors?

Any info would be great ta

Players are recommended by the rtc's technical director and/or seen by England scouts who visit the rtcs periodically. The player would then be given a chance to attend a camp to see how she stacks up against (and fits in with) the other players.

Women's Football / Re: SheBelieves Cup
« on: March 05, 2018, 04:35:01 PM »
You don't have to live up to your user name.... :)-  and its not compulsory to vote for England- only vote if you honestly believe they will win the tournament bu beating all or most of the other countries.......

Welcome to the site- hope you stick around for a long while...... :)
Thank you for the welcome, Cabbages, which is much appreciated. Need I say that I don't look quite so bananas as my username suggests?  ;)

Women's Football / Re: SheBelieves Cup
« on: March 01, 2018, 12:01:27 PM »
England is also missing Jordan Nobbs.  I know I'm late to vote, but someone has to cast a vote for England so that's my vote :).

Girl's Centres of Excellence / Re: 16up
« on: February 16, 2018, 08:07:22 AM »
There was lots of talk earlier in the year about the RTCs creating an u18 age group. I assume this isn’t happening, so just wondering how WSL1 clubs are fulfilling the requirement to have u20s academies?  It would be useful to hear from parents of girls in those clubs. At my daughter’s club, I don’t see much change, except to add a full day of training (day release from school).

Announcements / Re: Future of the forum again
« on: February 01, 2018, 09:28:49 AM »
I do agree on merging some of the boards and tried it on the smallest ones a while ago so the number now is less than it was. It took ages as each post needed to be moved individually and where there are hundreds/thousands it took absolutely ages. There were several moans on the community forum for the software that there must be a better way and on looking again tonight I see a post from 2014 where someone has suggested there is a quicker way using something hidden in one of the maintenance menu's.

I will give that a trial over the weekend and see what happens.

Thanks for the suggestions. Anyone else please feel free to chime in as well !
I'm one of the guilty people who doesn't post much, but really value this site for all of its advice and info.

USA Women's Football / Re: Boston all Broken
« on: February 01, 2018, 09:25:27 AM »
It seems to be a really fragile system in the US for women's professional soccer, which is surprising given how many girls/women play over there and how successful the US women's national team is.

What age do they go uni in the USA.?
The usual age is 18 (i.e. right after A-levels) but some start 1-2 years later because of gap years, etc.

The GB squad for the 2017 World University Games contains players from WSL 1, 2 and WPL clubs.

They won gold in 2013 with 3 current senior internationals in the squad

Full squad and background

That's really interesting, and it's encouraging that it's possible to do both. I wonder if the three internationals go part-time to uni, or if there is some kind of partnership between their clubs and the unis they attend.

Does anyone know if any of the WSL first teams are linked with unis so that their younger players  can still get an education and play top level football? I heard that Man City do this but I'm not sure if it's true or not.... so many girls go to the USA to get both, but it would be nice if they could stay here.

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