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Women's Football => Girl's Centres of Excellence => Topic started by: Proudmum on October 21, 2018, 10:08:58 AM

Title: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Proudmum on October 21, 2018, 10:08:58 AM
was just wondering if anyone knew what is happening to RTC'S at the end of this season? The licences were for three years and that would be up....
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Granger on November 09, 2018, 12:20:14 PM
It is going to very interesting to see what the FA has planned.

As part of the tendering process all the Tier 1 and Tier 2 women's clubs have to implement younger age group grassroots Development Teams to bring through young girls.

Some clubs may have already had an RTC and Development Teams in place, others have set them up Development Teams independently.
Each area will obviously be different but you may find they don't need to fund so many RTC's as they do currently, some areas may be well provisioned without the need for an RTC.

They of course were originally setup to give elite girls the enhanced coaching they needed but now a lot of the Development teams have UEFA B coaches and are overseen by UEFA A Coaches. The Women's Clubs want to expand their grassroots participation and hopefully going forwards help to build a fan base for the Women's teams.

I'm sure the FA have take a long hard look at all the systems in place and the large amounts of money they allocate every year.
The FA could carry on as is or decide to reallocate the funding. I'm excited and nervous to see which way they go with it!
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: dirkvanadidas on November 09, 2018, 06:52:07 PM
SE London area  is rather flush with 3 centres , 2 too many for the talent .
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on November 11, 2018, 07:00:25 AM
Nothing around hull for about 40 miles

Is the rtc system geographically wrong ?

And don’t know how true it is but had a conversation with somebody who said the local fa can sometimes work against having an rtc in case it effects the local leagues too much, I asked my local fa if there’s any plans for an rtc in our city but got ignored
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Granger on November 12, 2018, 02:54:01 PM
As far as I understand it the local FA doesn't have to be involved with running an RTC.  A local club such as Scunthorpe United for example could apply to the FA for an RTC Licence Tier 1,2 or 3 and then put together a financial plan with costings to support their bid. The club would have to make a financial commitment of up to £24k a year dependent on Tier level and then the FA would give them up to £60k a year to run it. They are also allowed to charge parents up to, but not exceeding £200 per year in fees. So all depends on who applies, which bids the FA likes and thinks are viable and which way the wind is blowing as to who gets the licence. Sparsely populated areas like Somerset area get a regional based more flexible support. Where as the likes of Greater London get more coverage. I do believe Manchester FA do hold a licence and they got Man U to run it for them for the last few years, but I am happy to be corrected on that.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on November 14, 2018, 02:09:00 PM
I know the RTC system is favoured by most on here but the same money going into organising and supporting  grassroots leagues you could have a decent level of football closer to all players.   Yes as it is the standard is not always high but largely because the FA has pretty much left volunteer leagues to get on with it.

You don't need paid uefa A and B coaches especially at the younger ages you need good level 1 & 2 coaches who are committed to their players, too often people now are taking badges to advance their own coaching prospects not to advance their players.  Yes there are some great coaches at RTCs but there are some shockers too just as in grassroots.   

These days anyone with football knowledge and the interpersonal skills should be able to decide on a philosophy and find tons of resources online, books etc on how to coach towards that.   
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: dirkvanadidas on November 14, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
would like to see more England DNA in the girls game as can be found in the boys, the ones with most ingurland players play physical route one alot of the time .
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: dirkvanadidas on November 25, 2018, 10:58:50 AM
So the womens ambassadorial panel doesnt check that FA DNA football is being played.
Commander Reep and Charles Hughes would be so proud on whats on offer alot of the time.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on November 25, 2018, 11:25:34 AM
Are you saying most of the rtc s don’t encourage technical football Dirk?

Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: dirkvanadidas on November 26, 2018, 05:56:51 PM
Are you saying most of the rtc s don’t encourage technical football Dirk?

the players dont exhibit it,
some will play when there is no pressure ie a lesser team but when pressed/under pressure it doesnt happen
others rarely try with their limit being the centre backs splitting and that is it.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on November 27, 2018, 05:52:11 PM
Currently at under 12s so still playing against boys
When we have played friendlys against other RTC’s certainly at our age group all of the RTC’s have tried playing a pass and move style or backed themselfs with the ball, havnt seen much hoofball, will be intrigued to see what next season brings when we go upto under 14s
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on November 29, 2018, 12:22:07 PM
From what I've seen they do tend to favour direct football in that they try and force things a bit - there is a reluctance to go back to keep possession.    Quite a lot of it is fairly rigid too - not a lot of "total football" with interchange of position - that strikes me as perhaps being over coached by an unimaginative coach and/or a fear of making a mistake in terms of being caught out of position.   Th movement is poor or else there is a lack of creative ball players in midfield - I haven't seen many passes where I'd think I wouldn't have seen that - but of course there are two ends to a pass.

The strengths are the athleticism, the tempo they play at, first touch is usually good, determination, some good individuals one on one, some good goalkeepers. 

I suppose summarising I think it's a lack of imagination in the play.  I wonder if the fashion for high pressing really helps develop youth players.  When you have very fit players pressing it's brave to try and play through it and it's often easier to play past it because a)if you lose it it's further up the pitch b) nobody will blame you for giving the ball away in front of your own goal. 
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on November 29, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Out of interest who are you guys watching and what age groups?

Think I’m pretty spoiled with my daughter as some of her through balls I wouldn’t be able to see or pull off 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on November 29, 2018, 06:08:12 PM
U16 up to open age national league and reserves and even top div players on TV. 

Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on November 30, 2018, 04:07:19 PM
Well the future bodes well as I’ve yet to see any team at under 12s play hoofball
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on November 30, 2018, 05:06:56 PM
I'm not saying hoofball as such - they aren't lumping it into the box and trying to pick up the pieces. They just force the play a bit too much and lack imagination in their movement. Subjective opinion though.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: lincsdad on December 10, 2018, 10:51:48 AM
I am informed that the FA are sending out an announcement this afternoon (10 December) regarding the plans for RTC's for the 2019/20 season onwards.

I am not aware if this is an announcement to existing RTC's first, followed by a general PR release. Or if this will just go global in one announcement.

Either way, it will be good to know what the plans are moving forward.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on December 10, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Hi. Found nothing on the FA website just yet so probably learn more at a later date
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: mikeyfaz on December 15, 2018, 09:20:36 PM
Which rtc richhutcho
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on December 17, 2018, 04:55:54 PM
Inbox me pal dunno what rules are regarding naming and discussing rtcs
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on December 28, 2018, 09:09:11 AM
Anybody heard anymore on the rtc licences?
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: dirkvanadidas on December 30, 2018, 09:40:10 AM
Anybody heard anymore on the rtc licences?

They havent posted the 2019 RTC  fixtures yet, so i dont think lady blackadder and the baldricks are that capable of thinking ahead.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on December 30, 2018, 02:00:48 PM
Bit unorganised then I gather lol
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on January 18, 2019, 05:29:51 PM
No news on this yet?
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on January 19, 2019, 08:16:28 AM
We’ve been asked to submit parent player questionnaires by the fa regarding the rtc which goes towards the licensing process
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on January 19, 2019, 08:04:28 PM
Thanks.  Unrelated but does anyone have a link to the reserve league for WSL - I'm assuming there is one - is it on FullTime or anything like that just interested in how some players are getting on.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Bananas on January 21, 2019, 04:57:05 PM
Here's the link you asked for...https://full-time.thefa.com/ff/DivisionDetails?divisionid=531896771&leagueid=174683699&seasonid=691528230
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: dirkvanadidas on January 21, 2019, 09:21:39 PM
Quite a few games given as walk overs, little wonder the odd  under age england player has left the program to play senior football at a lower tier,
No wonder the fa bloke who is tasked with it was very defensive about his program on another issue
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on January 23, 2019, 10:17:48 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence - WSL Academy structure
Post by: Kelly on January 24, 2019, 09:30:03 AM
My view on the WSL academy structure. WSL teams can play down their professionally paid squad members into the academy game which consists of 16-21 year olds who are in education and technically amateur. The exception to this is Ipswich Academy who does not have a WSL team to call upon. So a recent match between Ipswich and Man City contained an international first team player who put 4 goals past a very young keeper. Similar happened with a game against Yeovil where several first team members played down. I dont feel it is fair for professional full time football players to play down, even if they are coming back from injury it will give the team an advantage.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on January 24, 2019, 11:05:08 AM
Yes but I suppose clubs are looking at this division as a means to an end - developing players and if (if I'm getting it right) they are allowed to play some over age players down it'll be to get them match time coming back from injury etc.   Annoying if you are a regular in those development teams as that is your football but I suppose you'd also want to play against the best so the stronger the opposition the better.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on January 24, 2019, 04:54:44 PM
ideally you’d have a system with a reserve league then an under 19s league

Question is can clubs field teams in both brackets I doubt it, thus making the reserve league and under 19s leagues weak with not many fixtures, which would starve players who fall into the mentioned brackets, of game time .

So which is the lesser of the two evils the current situation or the one mentioned above?

And when you have the FA setting teams like Doncaster belles back years through forced relegation instead of working with them to build infrastructure, is the game growing?

Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Proudmum on January 25, 2019, 05:46:30 AM
The parent player questionnaire is the same one as last year.... wouldn't have thought the answers have any impact on decisions....
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Proudmum on January 25, 2019, 05:51:10 AM
Just see Southampton are advertising their trials for 2019/20 and within states...subject to an extension of the RTC License being awarded by the FA will be announced in April!!!
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Bananas on January 25, 2019, 11:37:33 AM
Re first team players playing in dev squad matches... It's easy to forget that the main purpose of reserves teams is to service the first team, so of course reserve squad players have to make way for first team players who are playing down. It might feel unfair to lose matches to reserve teams with first team players on them, but it's a great experience for players to test themselves against older, more experienced players.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: dirkvanadidas on February 17, 2019, 02:36:36 PM
Single year age groups starting at u12, alot of good talent and the pool is getting deeper.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Blueisthecolour on February 18, 2019, 08:28:27 AM
Single year age groups starting at u12, alot of good talent and the pool is getting deeper.


Is this to be the structure from next season for the RTC's? There will be a lot of player recruitment in the summer if that is the case.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on February 18, 2019, 10:06:11 AM
I hope not
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on February 19, 2019, 06:48:45 PM
I mean how many adult players can the clubs linked to these academies accommodate?  So when the vast majority don't make it into the first team where do they go, the other clubs who have been starved of decent youth players and money because everything was focused on the so called elite?   Well if the idea is that they are elite keep it as two year age groups, making it single year only waters it down.   I've seen some poor players in RTCs as it is, there isn't the strength in depth to double the numbers and if there is money for that  other clubs deserve it.
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Richhutcho on March 09, 2019, 05:18:19 PM
End of March the licence announcements apparently
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: croc on March 14, 2019, 10:06:55 AM
Given the relatively late announcement does that imply relatively little change? 
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: dirkvanadidas on March 15, 2019, 01:35:29 PM
Ipswich and west ham in ? Essex out ?
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: Kelly on March 18, 2019, 09:46:59 AM
dirkvanadidas are you thinking that Ipswich will be having an RTC next season? and why Essex out?
Title: Re: RTC 3 year Licence
Post by: dirkvanadidas on March 19, 2019, 11:57:53 AM
once upon time there were 3 county run centres in the south , one morphed into a club setup, another was removed to make way for  reading,
so essex will also make way as
1. WHU are trying and failing to run an academy team in the wsl setup, havnet played a game since november
but still advertising for players next year, they need an rtc to feed into it.

2. Ipswich also managed to get academy team despite first team being in 4th tier,
so i guess something was said between them and FA and so the next step would be RTC