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Title: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Richhutcho on March 19, 2018, 11:26:23 AM
Hi all

How are the england squad/camps generally picked?
Are players reccomended by their rtc’s/technical directors?

Any info would be great ta
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Bananas on March 20, 2018, 11:50:05 AM
Hi all

How are the england squad/camps generally picked?
Are players reccomended by their rtc’s/technical directors?

Any info would be great ta

Players are recommended by the rtc's technical director and/or seen by England scouts who visit the rtcs periodically. The player would then be given a chance to attend a camp to see how she stacks up against (and fits in with) the other players.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Richhutcho on March 20, 2018, 04:53:47 PM
Thank you bananas

I’m guessing they start looking at the under 14 age group
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Bananas on March 22, 2018, 10:26:26 AM
Thank you bananas

I’m guessing they start looking at the under 14 age group

Under-14s get selected for the National Performance Camps so that's an opportunity to get seen, too.  :).
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on April 07, 2018, 08:24:13 PM
players get looked at at u13 for u14 camps,
if you play for rtc that is a bit week and you are used to shore up defence and slightly taller then you will be always be talent identified as a defender regardless of your technical qualities for the next few years they look at you just for that position rather than getting the best players , FA COAching talent id not much better than soccer mums despite the a/b licence certificate
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Richhutcho on April 08, 2018, 03:29:13 PM
Have you had an experiance of taller more physical girls always being pidgeon holed into defensive roles?

Seen some very good attacking players who have really good decision making in an attacking sense who are physically very big for their age
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: sylvain on April 12, 2018, 05:12:02 PM
players get looked at at u13 for u14 camps,
if you play for rtc that is a bit week and you are used to shore up defence and slightly taller then you will be always be talent identified as a defender regardless of your technical qualities for the next few years they look at you just for that position rather than getting the best players , FA COAching talent id not much better than soccer mums despite the a/b licence certificate
Disagree, soccer mums don't know what a defensive block is in general  ;)
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Suoerbug on April 17, 2018, 10:53:51 PM
As it gets to the older age groups 16's onwards etc I have heard that it is a lot more click and harder to get into due to the fa refusing to acknowledge that some players may develop post 16 !
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: sylvain on April 20, 2018, 12:09:25 PM
As it gets to the older age groups 16's onwards etc I have heard that it is a lot more click and harder to get into due to the fa refusing to acknowledge that some players may develop post 16 !
A good number go through, but they actually open more at u19/u23 and senior level...
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on April 30, 2018, 12:00:37 PM
The other  type of player that is selected is the one that plays like a 9 year old, i.e. runs to opposition goal with the ball every time even from their own pen area.
When they get to senior football there isn't the space and so all that time "developing " is wasted, hence why england couldn't break down wales.
Skill and game sense are not the attributes talent scouts at the FA look for and want develop despite all the DNA malarky .
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: sylvain on May 03, 2018, 03:16:35 PM
The other  type of player that is selected is the one that plays like a 9 year old, i.e. runs to opposition goal with the ball every time even from their own pen area.
When they get to senior football there isn't the space and so all that time "developing " is wasted, hence why england couldn't break down wales.
Skill and game sense are not the attributes talent scouts at the FA look for and want develop despite all the DNA malarky .
I don't see many English players with those characteristics at international level ??
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on May 04, 2018, 07:20:06 PM
So how many national players can play in the tight?
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on May 09, 2018, 12:29:25 PM
watched the Man City aka England vs Liverpool in wsl , space denied to man city just like wales game.

When they get to senior football there isn't the space and so all that time "developing " is wasted, hence why england couldn't break down wales."
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: sylvain on May 11, 2018, 03:43:11 PM
So how many national players can play in the tight?
As many as you like really... it does not mean they are selected by Phil Neville
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: the-lone-voyageur on May 12, 2018, 06:47:42 AM
[ 1 ]  Vietnam ( 35 ) and Wales ( 34 ) are similarly ranked in the current FIFA women's world rankings but if Vietnam bunkered against England  it really wouldn't matter -- England would still win convincingly. I think one of the reasons why Wales did so well against England  was because so many of the Welsh  players  play in the FA WSL.  They see each other every week. Consequently, the Welsh players are very familiar with the  tendencies of the whole  English roster.

[ 2 ] To me, Neville needed to switch things up tactically against Wales. During the match, England put  a lot of aerial balls into the area that nobody tried to meet; or nobody tried to contest;  or fell to nobody.  England  could have used more size  in the area. And there was a need for players who would fight for space, pounce on a loose one or bang one in with their head. Maybe Jill Scott ( who was unavailable ) ?  Maybe Rachel Daly  ( who's quick and aggressive and plays in the USA's very physical women's league)  ?

[ 3 ] Does England have a player who is really good with the ball in tight spaces -- like Dzsenifer Marozsan?  No, not like Marozsan. But some of England's players aren't bad in tight spaces -- Fran Kirby comes to mind.

Marozsan fan vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vqgGXBC-2M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vqgGXBC-2M)
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on May 12, 2018, 08:39:24 AM


[ 3 ] Does England have a player who is really good with the ball in tight spaces -- like Dzsenifer Marozsan?  No, not like Marozsan. But some of England's players aren't bad in tight spaces -- Fran Kirby comes to mind.

Glad you mention Fran as she didn't come through the under age national teams , please correct me if i am wrong.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: the-lone-voyageur on May 12, 2018, 09:57:06 AM
^ I don't really have an opinion on the development side. Your points could be right. I merely suggest that the result against Wales can be explained as something other than a function of  inadequate player development: ie  wrong tactics, Wales familiarity with England.  Additionally  it sounded like you were saying that England had no players who could play in tight spaces.That can't be true. That said, If England want's to overtake Germany and the USA then  England needs more pace and athleticism on it's roster.  At the recent  She-Believes Cup, the England back line could not handle the pace of the American front three: Megan Rapinoe, Alex  Morgan and  Mallory Pugh. Additionally,  the Americans have other interchangeable  players who are just as fast : Lynn Williams, Christen Press, Crystal Dunn, Rose Lavelle, Kelia Ohai.   Furthermore, Germany has not beaten the USA in over a decade .The German women national team is  afraid of the American's speed  and are always retreating, conceding space , and cautious about going forward against  the USA.  Simply put, speed is everything in the (senior international ) women's game .
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on May 16, 2018, 07:59:00 AM
Should your daughter be identified at 13 by her physical attributes as a defender (they don't change their mind at a later age)  and so become part of the defender training.
This individual training consists of boof-ball , a long ball over the top into the channel, if you watched millie bright against bristol city you would have seen six good examples in the 2nd half of boof ball, where by the ball just goes through to oppo goalkeeper.
In the england wales games Houghton boof ball just went over the by line for goal kicks.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Richhutcho on May 16, 2018, 02:10:03 PM
Not expecting my daughter to be spotted by england just happy she’s thriving at an rtc

Would be interetsing seeing what they made if her as she’s about 5ft2 at 11 and  very physical lol but is really precise with decision making attacking wise

Would be a shame though girls who are talented creatively and intelligent pidgeon holed due to there physicality
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on May 17, 2018, 11:03:07 AM
Moving onto national Camp passing.
The Coaches explain they  don't worry about accuracy just playing fast.
No doubt the shooting is just about kicking all the air out of the ball.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on May 18, 2018, 04:44:36 PM
recent results
u15 lost 2-1 belgium
u16 lost japan norway beat russia and balkan country
u17 lost 8-0 germany


guess it must be all about development
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on May 24, 2018, 11:58:04 AM
14 year old etc players clocking up 10 km in 80 mins which is what wolf burgs mens  team did the other day in 90 mins .
So difference is not fitness but the technical tactical and game sense that needs to be developed to raise the standard of female football.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: sylvain on May 24, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
Moving onto national Camp passing.
The Coaches explain they  don't worry about accuracy just playing fast.
No doubt the shooting is just about kicking all the air out of the ball.
Who is this coach ?  >:(
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: sylvain on May 25, 2018, 01:59:38 PM
An interesting article

https://www.ourgamemag.com/2018/05/24/the-fas-new-dual-career-program/
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on May 26, 2018, 02:47:59 PM
An interesting article

https://www.ourgamemag.com/2018/05/24/the-fas-new-dual-career-program/

That what happens when you rely on lotto/sport england money, guess if an underage male player was with an  overseas club then the FA would pay for the fares, prolly just another example of #equalgame.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Welsh May on May 27, 2018, 12:18:27 PM
Well they didn't look very fast at the Euros v Germany, in fact some looked positively stationery ....  :)
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: ProudDad01 on June 25, 2018, 07:39:58 PM
recent results
u15 lost 2-1 belgium
u16 lost japan norway beat russia and balkan country
u17 lost 8-0 germany


guess it must be all about development

Just for clarity, the U15s results this season;

England 7 Wales 0
England 1 Scotland 1
Switzerland 0 England 2
Switzerland 1 England 3
Belgium 2 England 1
Belgium 0 England 1

Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Proudmum on August 27, 2018, 10:41:15 PM
This year within the under 14 age group they are only looking at players born in 2005..the England guy explained on the induction night and then next season it will be those born in 2006...the RTC my daughter is in a few have been on two camps held in August, not sure how many camps they have each year!
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: lincsdad on September 13, 2018, 09:57:47 AM
Some very interesting comments on here, but many of them are inaccurate, especially with regards to selection and technical matters. Some of the comments have made me chuckle a bit.

I can offer you some comment on this as my daughter was recently selected for the England National Performance Camp at Under 14's.

First of all the first inclusion for camps is Under 14's, but the second year of Under 14's considering RTC's operate two year age groups. So this years Under 14's attending camps will be 2005 born. Next season it will be 2006 born.

Initial selection for the camps is on the recommendation of the Regional Talent Technical Coach. Whichever RTC your daughter is at will have one that covers all of the RTC's in that region.

In the case of the region that our RTC is in, the Talent Technical Coach held a 2005 born training day at a regional venue. This was made up of players selected from RTC's by the Talent Technical Coach, but also with some discussion and recommendation with the RTC's. She also attends fixtures to monitor the progress of all players as well as periodically turning up at RTC's to take a look, even on occasions delivering training sessions.

There are 8 camps per season the first one was in August. But there are two squads at Under 14's, one one week and the other the week after. So I guess it's actually 4 camps a year on that basis.

Each squad on a camp consists of 24 players. So there was 24 players on the squad for the three days my daughter was there, and a different 24 players the week after. But there is also a decent size standby list of players (12 I think on the last camp) in case of people being unable to attend or getting injured during the camp. Sadly two girls had to go home injured on day 2 of my daughters camp, and 2 players from the standby list were quickly drafted in.

My daughter got so much out of the camp and it was a truly fantastic life experience. The level of coaching was immense and the professionalism delivered was unreal, from the first moment we arrived, to the moment we had to go and pick her up. They really do get to experience the England international treatment.

From memory, there was a head coach, three or four other coaches, 2 goalkeeper coaches, 2 physios, 2 welfare officers, a kit manager and a camp event manager, all in attendance. May have been one or two more even. I do know that also Regional Talent Technical Coach's atttended. Well ours did anyway.

I've read people comment that they are only really looking for certain types of players in terms of size, athleticism and technical ability etc. I can honestly say that in our experience, this was not the case. There was a great mix of players with different attributes.

I will add that there has been a common thread given to us from the very first moment that we was considered at the initial 2005 born training day. That being the message that "de-selection does not mean no re-selection". They explained that not every girl will attend every camp, because there are a lot girls out there that show signs of having "elite potential". So they asked every player and parent not to panic if they are not included in the next squads, as they really do need to take a look at other players.

Whatever the outcome for my daughter, it has been a fantastic life experience, full of enrichment, and we hope of course that she will be included in some of the future camps too.

I hope this clarifies some of the questions regarding players first inclusions in camps. I am sure though that once the England playing squad ages are reached at Under 15's, that maybe camps might look a bit different and selection might also be different by then. Not sure about that.

Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Richhutcho on September 13, 2018, 05:45:59 PM
Brilliant insight learnt a great deal from that really appreciated and good luck to you and your daughter for the future
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Proudmum on October 21, 2018, 09:14:29 AM
Although they start looking at the under 14's for England Camp this season 2018/2019 they only look at the older u14's those born in 2005. Those U14's born in 2006 won't get looked at till next season.....England U14's guy was explaining it at RTC induction.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: dirkvanadidas on November 04, 2018, 11:51:45 AM
fair play to the fa coaches, they do come out and work with the players in their  rtc environment.
The exercise consisted of short pass from the coach to player A, who then had to play a long lofted diagonal to player B in the 'pep half space' , control it and run over the line .
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Granger on November 08, 2018, 04:12:27 PM
Just to add to this season's NPC info: After the double camp in August, there was a another double camp at the end of October with again 48 girls attending.
Next camp is December and will be a single camp for 30 girls and after that another camp in February, again a single camp for 30 girls I believe.
There is one final camp later on next year to round the season off. 5 camps in all.

Also there was at least one girl from grassroots football at the last 2 events and also I believe one from an ACC, so the FA are definitely looking outside of the RTC's to find players too!
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: David on November 08, 2018, 10:03:27 PM
Thanks Granger

Welcome to the site :-)
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: BHA Dad on November 17, 2018, 06:15:57 PM
Also there was at least one girl from grassroots football at the last 2 events and also I believe one from an ACC, so the FA are definitely looking outside of the RTC's to find players too!

2 (or maybe even 3 ?) from Norwich at the second of the 2 U15 October camps
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Blueisthecolour on November 26, 2018, 11:49:00 AM
Next camp is weekend of 7/8/9 December. :)
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: croc on November 29, 2018, 12:30:22 PM
Also there was at least one girl from grassroots football at the last 2 events and also I believe one from an ACC, so the FA are definitely looking outside of the RTC's to find players too!

2 (or maybe even 3 ?) from Norwich at the second of the 2 U15 October camps

There was a bit locally about a girl from Derby ladies (the rtc) that had reached some kind of England camp trial (I'm not familiar with the system so I don't know if she got the whole way).   

The irony is she was spotted playing for Staffs Schools and Derbyshire Schools FA didn't bother entering an u16 girls side this year - not the fault of Derby ladies of course in fact I heard one of their coaches offered to run a schools FA team but was told it was too late.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Granger on November 30, 2018, 09:13:52 AM
There are a lot of English Schools (ESFA) national  trials at the moment which gets very confusing to people as they don't understand the difference and many believe they are trialing for the England FA U15's Team.

The ESFA England U15 squad will have one training session in Netherlands and then play one tournament in Spain next year against Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Its a good stepping stone but I don't know how much notice the FA take of it as not all the best players will trial for it.

The Final selection is 9th December at Stafford Town FC where the 4 regions, 16 players each, will play off to select one squad.

It does give many girls another platform to be seen and should rightly be consider a great honour to get a cap for English Schools.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: croc on November 30, 2018, 03:32:01 PM
https://derbycountyladies.co.uk/england-invite-for-under-16s-academy-player-isabelle-galley/

It's a bit misleading if it's the ESFA but you may be right
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Granger on November 30, 2018, 04:24:35 PM
Yes that is for English Schools U15's squad, the badge is different with the ESFA above the three lions.

https://schoolsfootball.org/international-squads/girls-u15-squad/activity-2/trials/

It is a great achievement to be selected but I know for a fact that there were a lot of grassroots players trialing for the Midlands Team and a few from the RTC's too so the Derby Ladies article is slightly misleading or misinformed depending on your view, but good luck to the player for their final selection and gaining a schools cap. It would be a great experience for any young player to train in Eindhoven and have a tournament in Spain.

Even some of the bigger clubs don't seem to quite understand the difference.

Hopefully it won't come as a nasty shock if some of the girls are being lead to believe they are trialing for the England FA 2019 U15's Team.

That team I would imagine will be selected next year from the current 60ish pool of NPC girls who have already been identified nationally.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: croc on November 30, 2018, 05:04:49 PM
You'd have thought they'd have put it in the article, must admit I missed the letters above the badge!  I still think it's a bit ironic  they are bigging it up but fail to mention the local sfa haven't bothered with girls representative teams this year.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Bananas on December 08, 2018, 12:40:04 PM
There are a lot of English Schools (ESFA) national  trials at the moment which gets very confusing to people as they don't understand the difference and many believe they are trialing for the England FA U15's Team.

The ESFA England U15 squad will have one training session in Netherlands and then play one tournament in Spain next year against Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Its a good stepping stone but I don't know how much notice the FA take of it as not all the best players will trial for it.

The Final selection is 9th December at Stafford Town FC where the 4 regions, 16 players each, will play off to select one squad.

It does give many girls another platform to be seen and should rightly be consider a great honour to get a cap for English Schools.

The FA take note by no longer allowing girls on the national team list (not sure if that includes the long list or just the short list of national team players) to trial for England Schools because of the potential for overuse/injury and clashes with dates.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: sylvain on February 18, 2019, 06:03:38 AM
Went to England v France today. Game not advertised at all, despite being open to the public. Still 120 spectators, not bad at all.

Typical France v England game, two teams with opposite style makes it very entertaining.
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Richhutcho on April 12, 2019, 01:49:35 PM
Just had notification my daughters been recommended by our rtc manager for the national camp, england had approached them asking if any players born in 2006 were possibly suitable.

Waiting in suspense now lol anybody know how long it takes for them to make a decision and if they generally invite all those recommended

Cheers
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Proudmum on April 12, 2019, 08:20:45 PM
 Girls.at my daughter's RTC are attending camps at Easter but currently still only the 2005 born.... I believe 2006 born won't be invited until the August camps just going from history but I could be wrong.....
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Richhutcho on April 13, 2019, 10:30:29 AM
Sounds about right, as was told we wont find out until a couple of weeks which would take us past easter, plus im guessing they like to give us parents a little bit of notice so august probably sounds about right.

My daughter would be lower half of the age bracket at U14s NEXT season, i thought only the older half of the u14 age bracket got call ups to national camps?
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: Blueisthecolour on January 28, 2020, 12:50:15 PM
Does anyone know what the U15's camp / fixtures are in February? Is there 1 or 2?
Title: Re: England’s squad/camps
Post by: BHA Dad on February 04, 2020, 08:37:28 AM
Does anyone know what the U15's camp / fixtures are in February? Is there 1 or 2?

Was a week long camp which included  2 fixtures vs Switzerland last season and the season before if I remember right