Womens Football Forum

Forum Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: David on December 17, 2017, 02:36:36 AM

Title: Future of the forum again
Post by: David on December 17, 2017, 02:36:36 AM
I started this site in December 2006 to try and offer some support to the sport and a place for people to talk about the sport and have run it at my cost ever since...There are no ads and I receive no income for running it out of my own time and money.

So I am trying to determine if there is still interest and a need for the forum ...Has everyone moved on to Facebook and Twitter etc and there is no demand for the site anymore and I can can get some of my time and money spend back lol ;-)

Let me know what you think

Regards

David
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: croc on December 17, 2017, 12:46:50 PM
You could try and redesign the forum, maybe have 3 or 4 sub forums instead of dozens.   

Why not youth football, league football, international football, anything else.  Ideally it would be linked to a wider website on womens football with articles etc.   

As it is though I'd say there is no point. 
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: buzzbee on December 18, 2017, 01:14:38 PM
I haven’t been here long, but it would be a shame to lose the forum. I am not aware of too many other places (On twitter or Facebook) for actual discussion on Women’s football. There are club sites and there may be places I am not aware of

I would like to see this forum stay open, but I would ask people that IF David chooses to close it (Please ONLY do this if David says he is closing. It would be unfair on him to do so if the forum is to continue), then please can people post details of where on social media, there are interesting places to discuss Women’s football

In the meantime though, I hope the forum continues and appreciate the hard work and expense that goes into running it. Thank you David
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on December 21, 2017, 03:16:59 PM
I dont do Facebook or Twitter and believe that the forum should stay but not if David is losing bags of money on it- how about allowing adverts to help towards costs. Not sure there is another forum that provides the same opportunity for people to discuss the Ladies game in quite the same way- it is not like a fanzone which is attached to one particular club.

I guess that the site is only as good as the people that contribute- Shekicks have one attached to their website but its a lame duck if you ask me. So, we either dig in and make this work for all concerned or we turn out the lights, shut the door and put the cat out with the milk bottles.

I am willing to give it a go but cant do it on me own.......
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: the-lone-voyageur on January 01, 2018, 08:12:09 PM
[ 1 ]  I enjoyed the fantasy football competitions in 2017: the Spring Series fantasy league & the Euro 2017 Predixit

[ 2 ] I think forums are better than facebook and twitter -- you can write longer and more expansively on a forum.

[ 3 ] There is reader interest in the  Womens Football Forum -- the guest number is  often a double digit number at any given time. Perhaps people a just shy about posting their thoughts.
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: ILoveIzzy on January 07, 2018, 06:53:07 PM
Hi David,

Im new here but I really like that there is a place like this.

What I would expect to happen is that former players, current players, and others involved in the womens game, would pitch in - and invite others. Also, dont girls who play football have any interest in it?

It seems very strange, but as usual, Im baffled by the sentiment 'we need to grow the popularity of womens football' when those who say that make seemingly no investment whatsoever in that cause themselves.

Due to the still niche nature of the sport, could you tell me why those involved in it havent been promoting this forum?

And I dont use Facebook either, but maybe people from here have surrendered to it. Why would be totally beyond me
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on January 23, 2018, 08:54:19 PM
If the apoointment of that outstanding manager that is the hapless Neville does not stir any feeling or debate on here David- we might as well put the cat out with the milk bottles, turn the lights out and lock up  -
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: BillyBoy on January 24, 2018, 10:08:32 PM
Sorry, only just noticed this. I completely agree Cabbages. :)
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: croc on January 25, 2018, 12:02:20 PM
Would it not be worth trying a redesign first?   
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on January 25, 2018, 12:53:42 PM
Would it not be worth trying a redesign first?

i dont believe that people dont post here cos they dont like the design...how many sited do you not go on because you dont like the design?
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: croc on January 25, 2018, 04:06:43 PM
It looks like a disused forum because the majority of sections have no recent posts, fewer sections would mean each had more recent posts and it would at least look like people were using it which I suggest would be worth trying.  If nobody has posted on say Irish football for 2 years it's fair to suggest that the topic doesn't need its own subsection.

If forum design was irrelevant why would forums ever undergo redesigns?
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on January 25, 2018, 05:11:01 PM
If people posted more there were would not need to be loads of old posts - many sites get revamped for the sake of it and dont need tampering with- 

this site is only sd good as the people who make an effort to contribute not how pretty it looks-
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: croc on January 25, 2018, 07:21:21 PM
If people posted more there would not be so many old posts, genius !   


Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on January 25, 2018, 08:28:41 PM
we all know you know what i mean but this is a football site- lets hear more of what you have to say about ladies football-
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: buzzbee on January 26, 2018, 11:46:46 AM
I kinda see what Croc is saying and maybe it’s not a bad idea. When looking at the top level forum, there are 5 sections, with 36 sub-forums. Of the 36 sub-forums on the front page, 24 have not been used at all in the past 3 months. Some forums haven’t been used in years.

As a newbie, this can have 2 effects – As Croc says, they could see some of those dates and think the forum isn’t really active and just click away before looking deeper. A newbie might also see 36 sub-forums and think it’s just too complicated, knowing where to post a particular topic. Simple is often good.

I like the design of the site. The look and feel are good IMHO and I wouldn't really want a change to this.

But maybe some sub-forums could be combined. For instance, the European Women’s football section has 6 sub-forums, none of which have been used in the past 4 months. There are also 3 sub-forums in World women’s football, which haven’t been used for 5 months. Perhaps, all 9 of these could go into one “Non UK Women’s Football” sub-forum?

How about the below for simplification?...
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on January 26, 2018, 01:40:22 PM
I kinda see what Croc is saying and maybe it’s not a bad idea. When looking at the top level forum, there are 5 sections, with 36 sub-forums. Of the 36 sub-forums on the front page, 24 have not been used at all in the past 3 months. Some forums haven’t been used in years.

As a newbie, this can have 2 effects – As Croc says, they could see some of those dates and think the forum isn’t really active and just click away before looking deeper. A newbie might also see 36 sub-forums and think it’s just too complicated, knowing where to post a particular topic. Simple is often good.

I like the design of the site. The look and feel are good IMHO and I wouldn't really want a change to this.

But maybe some sub-forums could be combined. For instance, the European Women’s football section has 6 sub-forums, none of which have been used in the past 4 months. There are also 3 sub-forums in World women’s football, which haven’t been used for 5 months. Perhaps, all 9 of these could go into one “Non UK Women’s Football” sub-forum?

How about the below for simplification?...
  • Announcements
  • Introduce Yourself
  • Support and suggestions
  • WSL1
  • WSL2
  • Non WSL UK Women’s Football
  • Non UK Women’s Football
  • International Women’s Football
  • Men’s Football
  • Off Topic

Hope you are not advocating that cheating is ever acceptable Buzzer.....
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: buzzbee on January 26, 2018, 04:50:37 PM
I kinda see what Croc is saying and maybe it’s not a bad idea. When looking at the top level forum, there are 5 sections, with 36 sub-forums. Of the 36 sub-forums on the front page, 24 have not been used at all in the past 3 months. Some forums haven’t been used in years.

As a newbie, this can have 2 effects – As Croc says, they could see some of those dates and think the forum isn’t really active and just click away before looking deeper. A newbie might also see 36 sub-forums and think it’s just too complicated, knowing where to post a particular topic. Simple is often good.

I like the design of the site. The look and feel are good IMHO and I wouldn't really want a change to this.

But maybe some sub-forums could be combined. For instance, the European Women’s football section has 6 sub-forums, none of which have been used in the past 4 months. There are also 3 sub-forums in World women’s football, which haven’t been used for 5 months. Perhaps, all 9 of these could go into one “Non UK Women’s Football” sub-forum?

How about the below for simplification?...
  • Announcements
  • Introduce Yourself
  • Support and suggestions
  • WSL1
  • WSL2
  • Non WSL UK Women’s Football
  • Non UK Women’s Football
  • International Women’s Football
  • Men’s Football
  • Off Topic

Hope you are not advocating that cheating is ever acceptable Buzzer.....
I've just read my post again, expecting to see a silly typo, but I'm not seeing it. The cheating comment has gone over my head :P
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on January 26, 2018, 05:18:52 PM
oh dear buzzer- looks like you are overdue your appointment as Specsavers
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: David on January 26, 2018, 05:37:45 PM
I do agree on merging some of the boards and tried it on the smallest ones a while ago so the number now is less than it was. It took ages as each post needed to be moved individually and where there are hundreds/thousands it took absolutely ages. There were several moans on the community forum for the software that there must be a better way and on looking again tonight I see a post from 2014 where someone has suggested there is a quicker way using something hidden in one of the maintenance menu's.

I will give that a trial over the weekend and see what happens.

Thanks for the suggestions. Anyone else please feel free to chime in as well !
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: the-lone-voyageur on January 27, 2018, 02:48:17 AM
Perhaps the word " Today"   ( which the forum uses to inform the reader that  a topic has new content )  could appear in a colour that stands out more ( like orange ).
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on January 30, 2018, 11:08:51 PM
there seems to be some missing sub- forums David, a blip or have you deleted them ?
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: David on January 31, 2018, 01:27:16 AM
Nothing has been deleted...I have merged them into their main board so they are still there.....I'm still pondering what to merge where to trim everything down a bit.....Any suggestions welcome !
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on January 31, 2018, 05:48:13 AM
I am perfectly happen with how it was before- no need to change imo- will be off here if too much surgery is carried out-
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Bananas on February 01, 2018, 09:28:49 AM
I do agree on merging some of the boards and tried it on the smallest ones a while ago so the number now is less than it was. It took ages as each post needed to be moved individually and where there are hundreds/thousands it took absolutely ages. There were several moans on the community forum for the software that there must be a better way and on looking again tonight I see a post from 2014 where someone has suggested there is a quicker way using something hidden in one of the maintenance menu's.

I will give that a trial over the weekend and see what happens.

Thanks for the suggestions. Anyone else please feel free to chime in as well !
I'm one of the guilty people who doesn't post much, but really value this site for all of its advice and info.
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: croc on February 01, 2018, 11:49:48 AM
I am perfectly happen with how it was before- no need to change imo- will be off here if too much surgery is carried out-

Why ?   Over the page you were posting David may as well knock the forum on the head, yet if there are changes to try and save it you'll be off?  I just don't follow your logic at all.   

Major surgery required, no need to save old threads it's not the national archive.
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on February 01, 2018, 01:25:34 PM
its not the forum that needs surgery Croc- it just needs the “guilty” posters to start posting instead of just reading- there are enough topics here to spark a debate, even old threads can be revived. I have been on here for around 10 years in various guises- it works for me but if you want to change it, go ahead abd see how many respond- Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on February 12, 2018, 12:19:19 PM
Well, have tried my best to drum up some interest and support- even DM a few to encourage them but dont think there is any willing life-form out there. Much as i like this place David , you might have some important decisions to make regarding the future of the forum.
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: buzzbee on February 14, 2018, 09:26:19 AM
its not the forum that needs surgery Croc- it just needs the “guilty” posters to start posting instead of just reading- there are enough topics here to spark a debate, even old threads can be revived. I have been on here for around 10 years in various guises- it works for me but if you want to change it, go ahead abd see how many respond- Good luck with that.
A lot of people join forums and then forget about them, so they will still show as members, but not actually use the site. The trick is ALWAYS to have regular new members join, especially at a time when more and more fans are being drawn to the women’s game. My suggestions for changes were because for someone visiting for the first time, seeing so many forums and sub-forums can be daunting. Many people will decide if they like a site within seconds of first viewing it and will disappear within seconds if it doesn’t grab them. If they feel there is too much to see, before they really understand the site, they will just click away to another site
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: the-lone-voyageur on February 14, 2018, 04:40:11 PM
[ 1 ] Again,  there is double digit reader interest  on this forum on a daily basis -- including today.

[ 2 ] I would not  mind seeing more polls on the forum ( maybe monthly ?) asking easy questions and soliciting simple responses. For example:
 
- Will England win the 2018 SheBelieves Cup ?  yes or no.
-  Who would be the better left fullback for England:    Demi Stokes or Alex Greenwood ?

Polls are simple, they're democratic, and they could help turn shy readers into participating posters.
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on February 14, 2018, 06:09:15 PM
what other sites do they go to ?
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: buzzbee on February 15, 2018, 11:08:55 AM
[ 1 ] Again,  there is double digit reader interest  on this forum on a daily basis -- including today.

[ 2 ] I would not  mind seeing more polls on the forum ( maybe monthly ?) asking easy questions and soliciting simple responses. For example:
 
- Will England win the 2018 SheBelieves Cup ?  yes or no.
-  Who would be the better left fullback for England:    Demi Stokes or Alex Greenwood ?

Polls are simple, they're democratic, and they could help turn shy readers into participating posters.
I agree. I wasn't even aware that the poll option isn't available to us. It is something that can provoke discussion
what other sites do they go to ?
I understand your point, as there are no alternative women's forums. However, the flip side of that is that new visitors might well just stumble across the site. It may be that, like me, when they start regularly watching women’s football, they simply google women’s football, looking for sites that will give them info and they come across this one. We then need to grab their attention and ensure that they come back and not just click onto other ‘info’ sites or simply stop searching and start looking at other unrelated things.

If they are specifically looking for a forum like this, then they will find no alternative and will hopefully hang around, but if they are not being so specific, a site that isn’t immediately easy to follow is likely to be seen and discarded within seconds
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: buzzbee on February 19, 2018, 02:34:50 PM
It’s just a small step, but as I support Reading Women, I have just posted a link to the forum on our Facebook fan group and suggested we would welcome new members
Title: Re: Future of the forum again
Post by: Cabbages on February 21, 2018, 06:33:54 PM
Nice one Buzzer- lets hope the other 2 fans come and join us on here- 😀