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Title: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on November 21, 2016, 03:55:09 PM
We are thinking about sending our daughter to a showcase event for Pass4Soccer, which is a company that helps students get soccer scholarships to play soccer at universities in the USA. There are quite a few American coaches attending the event, but of course no guarantee of anything at the end of it. Does anyone know about Pass4Soccer or other similar companies? Is it worth it to go this route? Personal experiences would be gratefully heard!!
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: coey on November 22, 2016, 10:59:05 AM
1. p4s dont allow u to specify on your profile what course u want, so you will get calls from random coaches.
2. build up a decent cv as sadly most people go on whats on paper again no where on your profile to exhibit it, but have handy to give to prospective college.
3. go and play at the showcase
4. video as much as possible  at your normal club football (if allowed)
5. research course and colleges yourself and  get them to make the contact, otherwise your cv just ends up at colleges where their mates from their college days are now coaching.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on November 23, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
Thank you for the helpful info and it sounds like we need to do as much as possible ourselves to give our daughter the best chance of going where she wants to go.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Banbo on January 31, 2017, 11:21:53 PM
Hi we registered with Pass4Soccer, my daughter attended several showcases which were filmed, she also attended the main showcase in December. The staff at P4S have been excellent, really helpful & knowledgeable throuout the process and even since she has been in the US.
She received over 20 scholarship offers with different levels of football and differing academic requirements. She is now half way through her second year at a great university and absolutely loving it, not just the football, but the whole experience.
My tips would be to get as much video footage as possible and get this turned into a highlights tape, (they will help you with this), she will also need to work on the SATS test, as it is somewhat different to our exams. When you get to the point of selecting universities, do your homework on the level they play at (is this right for your daughters level?), the subjects they offer, the size & location and just as important look at the achademic requirements of the uni, the Div 1 colleges insist that you maintain the required GPA & this adds pressure if they are not an achademic scholar.
Hope that helps, but I would definitely recommend P4S.
Good luck
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Welsh May on February 02, 2017, 09:10:12 PM
Hi, we're just going through the process with P4S and can only echo the above summary. They've been good. I suspect there are cheaper ways but tbh we don't have the time and they do need to be 'seen'. The assessment days and showcases have been great (you get out what you put in I guess).  We were told she did need to have an idea of the subject and course she was interested in and possible univs so she could be targeted to places that did her subject?. Then we should consider what level eg Div 1, Div 2 etc and who offered, would depend on who she was playing for in the next two years and her sats could also affect this too. Though we guess an England player is likely to get a good offer regardless but ..... anyway there's lots of help and advice .....
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on February 08, 2017, 12:14:27 PM
Thank you, that's really interesting and helpful.

We're only looking at Div 1 universities, but it's hard to get a sense of what the coaches (and general ethos of the teams) are like at different schools, despite a lot of internet trawling. The NCAA website has a useful rankings list, but doesn't tell much more beyond that.

Banbo, can I be nosey and ask what uni your daughter goes to? (no problem if you'd rather not say).
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: coey on February 09, 2017, 11:01:08 AM
As for deciding the ethos, that's where the interview process is good with the college or uni coach.
Playing time for newcomers, squad size, number of overseas players,style of play, academic support, can they help your football career  after your uni/college,  whats the 'deal' in terms of fees can be clarified.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Banbo on February 16, 2017, 11:06:43 PM
Hi Roses are Red,
My daughter is at Lafayette College in Easton PA, about 1 1/2 hours west of New York. We did as much research as poss on each of the Uni's looking at the size & campus style, subjects, Etc etc. But as mentioned above holding Skype calls with the coaches was really valuable and gave us the best incite and feel for he style of the college. We found that my daughter very quickly built a rapport with some coaches and not with others. That relationship was probably one of the key drivers as we needed her to feel confident and comfortable from the start and that she knew what the coach saw in her and how she would fit in with the team as a whole.
They are in the Div 1 Patriot League which is an extremely high intensity programme as the seasons are relatively short but with lots of very competitive games and they have to squeeze in loads of lectures & homework - as achieving the required grades is essential.
That said she is loving it, we have had a couple of her team back to visit us who were great and she is making some life long friends.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on February 17, 2017, 09:09:46 AM
Hi Banbo,

Thank you so much for your post.

It sounds like your daughter is having the experience of a lifetime, which is great to hear. My daughter had a similar experience when she spoke with coaches, getting a more positive vibe from some of them in terms of their coaching style, temperament, what they're looking for, etc. The sheer number of American universities with top soccer programmes was a bit daunting, and like you said, it was vital to do research...the internet is an amazing tool for this sort of thing! It's been a fascinating process (and a lot of work for my daughter) particularly since we decided to do it on our own without the help of an agency (although Pass4Soccer seemed excellent). I'm pleased to say that we are now at the end of it though. She's now been offered a full ride at a Div 1 SEC uni, which was one of her top choices and a good fit, so she's going with that.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Banbo on February 18, 2017, 09:32:11 PM
That's great news, hope she has a fantastic time - I'm sure she will
Good luck and best wishes to her.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on February 19, 2017, 09:35:28 AM
Thanks, Banbo, and to everyone else who posted on this thread with such helpful advice...much appreciated :).
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: StatDad on March 17, 2017, 07:50:45 PM
This thread has been a very interesting and helpful read

Has anyone come across CSUSA (http://www.collegescholarshipsusa.com/) as an alternative to P4S mentioned previously, and have any thoughts or comments about the service they provide - positive or otherwise?

Thank you
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on March 18, 2017, 05:56:10 PM
I don't know anything at all about College Scholarship USA (but that doesn't mean they aren't good) but I recommend asking a LOT of questions before signing on the dotted line. One of the most important things to ask is what American unis come to their showcase, how many kids have they placed at them and how much did they get in scholarship money. I would also suggest that you do your research first to make a list of 20 or so schools your daughter might be interested in in terms of football, location, academics, size of school, etc. There is a huge variety of unis in the USA, far more so than in the UK, so it is important for your daughter to know what she wants as early as possible in the process.  Good luck to you both!!!
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: pool47 on May 15, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
On this thread has anyone come across a chap called David Stanbra whose been in touch with my daughter regarding the US. I'm not sure how he came across her details.

To ask another question, are the girls referenced in this thread 18 or older?
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Kelly on May 16, 2017, 08:50:04 AM
David Stanbra is from College Scholarship USA. We signed with them last year. We have had offers from 10 universities mainly D2 but also NAIA.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on May 16, 2017, 10:31:34 AM
On this thread has anyone come across a chap called David Stanbra whose been in touch with my daughter regarding the US. I'm not sure how he came across her details.

To ask another question, are the girls referenced in this thread 18 or older?

No, my daughter is 15.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Welsh May on May 16, 2017, 01:52:47 PM
My daughter is under 18. She showcased first time when 15 (and as they cannot give offers to u16s) so although she was pulled back afterwards and we were told of 'interest', the coaches were not allowed to approach her and make offers as under 16. We've had contact through drop box since and two other emails, so colleges find their way ......... we were advised not to indicate interest unless we were sure and it was one of our target univs. So we've had to get a clear picture of where we're targeting so we don't mess anyone about.
Really depends on what you want from a university or a college though. Whether a religious based establishment which there are a lot if you want that or more general. Depends. NAA1 is the higher division and then 2 and 3. There's college divisions as well..... Ashleigh Plumptre from Notts County most recently went to USC in NAA Div 1 who won the cup this season, if that helps.....
If your daughter is academic then there are also academic grants as well you can apply for?. But all girls must do SATS and the earlier you do them apparently the better so you can improve your scores by resits?. The SATs also help with entry if our daughter is both a good footballer and an academic?. Seems like a great experience and as long as your daughter is keen, not sure paying for SKUSA or P4S or a 'private' is a bad thing, if getting to the USA is their goal? and it reduces the costs for university for us, hurrah ............ And the help from the people just assists in working your way through all the necessaries .......  :)
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: pool47 on May 16, 2017, 09:59:49 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I've done some research and will do plenty more​. I'm guessing the more of these showcases  a player attends the wider the audience they might reach?
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on May 17, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
Thanks for the feedback. I've done some research and will do plenty more​. I'm guessing the more of these showcases  a player attends the wider the audience they might reach?

We decided against a recruitment organisation because they weren't able to link with the particular universities our daughter was interested in. However, these organisations can be really helpful if you use the right one. 

If you want to understand the recruiting process in the US, I highly recommend this book....https://www.amazon.co.uk/Recruited-Womens-College-Soccer-Step/dp/0988876914/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495013445&sr=8-1&keywords=Get+recruited+to+play+women%27s+college+soccer.

The book really helped us figure out the process, which can be confusing, and we did our own research into the football and academic side of things at different schools.  Verbal offers can be made to u16s and even younger (I know this because my daughter is 15 and has a verbal offer).
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Banbo on May 22, 2017, 11:13:58 PM
Hi Pool 47
My daughter attended a number of showcases/ matches organised by P4S which were initially to assess the players interested in going to the US, for them to provide information to the girls & parents and importantly to obtain good video footage to build a video CV that the various colleges could view. The main showcase was then in December when lots of US coaches attended (about 25-30) to see the players live.
My daughter was just 17 when she the London showcase, and as previously mentioned the Div 1 teams were not allowed to officially approach her on the day due to the school year she was still in, but we started receiving emails quite soon afterwards.
Hope that helps, any other questions, just ask.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on May 23, 2017, 09:19:48 AM
I just want to clarify about the issue of when US coaches can contact you by email or phone. Division 1 coaches can email you directly after 1 Sept of year 12. Before year 12, they can email you only via a third party, but they can't contact you directly either by phone or email. My daughter's PE teacher kindly agreed to receive emails from US coaches (when my daughter was 15 years old and in year 11) and then he forwarded them to us. My daughter could then reply by email directly to the US coach. US coaches can't phone you until 1 July before year 13, but you can phone them at any point. It's a crazy system but there are ways around it.

Going with a recruitment agency can definitely simplify things, but your choice of university will be limited to the ones they have links with. Some of them have lots of good links with US coaches, so it's worthwhile to compare agencies so that your daughter has the best chance of going to the school she wants.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Welsh May on May 23, 2017, 03:58:01 PM
I have just bought the book recommended in the message trail above and that is really useful as it explains all this stuff and it varies depending on the 'league' ..... So thanks for that and suggest if you're going that route, it's a useful purchase .........
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Maytime on May 23, 2017, 04:23:33 PM
How does this work...I mean the selection process.  Are the colleges looking for those with very good grades, very good at football or both?

Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on May 23, 2017, 05:06:33 PM
How does this work...I mean the selection process.  Are the colleges looking for those with very good grades, very good at football or both?

That is a very good, but complicated question and I'm afraid that the only answer is that it depends on the uni. Some are highly competitive academically (such as the Ivy League unis and certain colleges), and others are barely selective at all. You can look at https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges but it only tells a partial story.

You can find out about how competitive a uni is in soccer by looking at the NCAA website at http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-women/d1. Div 1 schools have the most scholarship money for soccer, but you might want to also look at the other divisions since they can perhaps give academic scholarships or needs-based scholarships. Definitely look at each school's conference ranking, too, since that is important. (Each school will belong to a conference within their division).

I made a shortlist by cross referencing schools that were right for my daughter's academic and soccer level. My thinking is that 4 years is a long time to spend at a school if it's not the right one, so research is vital, even if you choose to go with a recruitment agency.
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Unitedsportsusa on June 28, 2017, 04:36:09 PM
My name is Andy Shakarji, I am the head soccer consultant at United Sports USA, one of the leading US sport scholarship consultancies in the UK. I have enjoyed reading the threads on this Forum and it is great to see so much interest in the US route. having been a former student in America it was one of the best decisions i ever made. My role now is to educate players, parents and coaches on the opportunity of playing soccer in the States and our company put players through each step of the process.

Should any of you want to find out more information about the process and the opportunity itself for your son or daughter please feel free to contact me at 0141 332 0690 or 07808047925 and I would be more than happy to help.

Thanks

Andy
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: mikeyfaz on August 15, 2017, 08:55:00 PM
What age do they go uni in the USA.?
Title: Re: Recruitment to play football at a USA university
Post by: Bananas on August 16, 2017, 10:38:13 AM
What age do they go uni in the USA.?
The usual age is 18 (i.e. right after A-levels) but some start 1-2 years later because of gap years, etc.