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Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« on: July 29, 2017, 08:00:24 AM »
Not a serious question of course, but I've been getting a bit worried for Sampson at these European Championships. In interviews he's always been one for hype and talking things up, but now he seems to be getting sidetracked by slagging the opposition, trading barbs with the French coach before their quarter-final. So when Gareth Southgate said he was "not surprised" by the success of the women's team – even though it was a compliment, I got a terrible fear. Sampson is really only one step from turning and dissing Southgate!


"Southgate? His lot can't even get any success! Burrrn!"
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In other words, welcome to the Sampson quote thread of bluster and OTT remarks. Put your favourites and least favourites here. (Separate from other subjects as it's got little to do with football!)

Y'know, I preferred his early stuff, when he was trying to be Funny Churchill:

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He said he would demand that his players are professional in attitude on and off the pitch but there would be space for "laughs" as well as "blood, sweat and tears".
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England coach Mark Sampson has made an amazing plea to employers: "Let your staff arrive late for work after cheering on my Lionesses until 2am."
^ Misquoted from here, but the journo made it sound better.

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Sampson, meanwhile, has told England’s 131-cap full-back Alex Scott he can be more extreme than Bear Grylls, her TV taskmaster...

“I’ve been giving Alex a bit of stick because I’ve not watched much of it but I’m getting regular updates from my mum, saying: ‘You won’t believe this. She’s doing this and that, and she’s eating elephant poo.’

“My methods when I first started coaching were far more extreme, I can tell you that. When I was working at leisure centres with those five-year-olds it was far more extreme than any jungle.”

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“I used to back in the day, a long, long time ago, but I think Donald Trump plays more golf than me now – he’s obviously got less to do,” said Sampson. “I can’t remember the last time I picked up a golf club unfortunately. Pretty sad.”
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“The message we’re giving the players is simple,” the England manager said. “These three weeks can change the next 50 years. Three weeks of hard work and we’ve got 50 years to live as legends.”

“The more I look at this tournament the more I feel that momentum could be a big thing going into the latter stages. We want to make sure that when other teams get their snowball rolling down the hill, ours stays ahead of theirs and we keep it rolling at a faster rate.”


An England training session
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There's been the unpleasant mind game stuff at these Euros – Sampson saying Spain feign injury and are a hard team to love, or calling France boss Echouafni "a little bit wet behind the ears when it comes to tournament football", uh, that could come back to haunt him :( Sampson dissed FIFA by saying their World Cup wasn't any more important than the SheBelieves Cup (fair point tbh).

He's just said “We are a team of street fighters and when we’re poked our reaction is to poke back” (yesterday), just days after he claimed it was a snow rolling contest, not a streetfight. So, which is it? Also the Netherlands don't have any hills and it's not the winter. Also the English abroad have already done too much streetfighting.

On a serious note, all this hype...

- Does it bother you?
- Is it OK as long as the team does well?
- Is hype/promotion a necessary part of a national manager's job?
- Should he be banned from the mic?
- Aren't these questions very very leading questions?

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2017, 08:12:59 AM »
So, about the very important poll, best poll since 1966, here's your detailed guide to voting:

ADVANTAGES OF A SOUTHGATE FEUD:
- Good publicity
- Makes the FA more interesting
- No language barrier
- Can't be decided on the field, so would last forever
- Would help to double attendances at charity boxing

DISADVANTAGES:
- Might divide women's and men's football when they should work together
- Football is not some kind of WWE circus yet
- Surely Southgate has suffered enough

OK, that's quite enough.



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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 12:00:51 AM »
I'm really trying to be fair about this, because Twitter blows everything up into good v evil. From the offending BBC article today, the exact quote:

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The Lionesses have lost to Les Bleues in their past three major tournaments and have failed to beat them in five games since Sampson took over in 2013.

But he said: "We want to be at our very best but the nice feeling is we don't need to be to win on Sunday.

"If we are then there's no question in my mind that we'll win comfortably."


Shouldn't have gone there, he knows our media, but it's not as unpleasant as the stuff before imo. The actual words in it are inarguable, France's form isn't great, the defence is weakened, Eve Périsset and Wendie Renard are both out.

The French media reported the press conference as "defusing the situation".

But the UK sport media are built on conflict. If you reframe his words, without the "very", it's framed as another attack. It's easy to read it as one when there's a new article headlined "Sampson ramps up mind games" but not including the above quote at all. At the end, the journalist Louise Taylor says she suspects the 'mind games' have been tongue-in-cheek, but the cat's already out of the bag, and he's a "douche" and worse names:

- https://twitter.com/applessquabble/status/891383572082438144
- https://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/102887004
- https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/891411739983708160

I can only go as far as this guy:

"There is something about Mark Sampson I don't like. He seems a tad arrogant, like he believes he is a world class manager" – (Samir Negandhi, Twitter)

But I don't appreciate the media giving women's football the worst aspects of men's football by stealth. Sampson is the conduit for this, and I wish he'd keep his mouth shut, and I wish he wasn't the hype man, but there is a second phenomenon here that's separate from him.
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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 02:08:23 PM »
He is there to win games not friends, I don't mind his talk I just think he doesn't want to show any doubt because if he doesn't believe they will win why should the players.

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 05:03:26 PM »
Agree Croc - a very good point.

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 11:30:56 PM »
expect more of the same in the future - media demands on England will be greater and as has been seen at top level in men's game, managers and players have to give interviews, sometimes too soon after a game and given the track record of some sections of the media, you know only too well what to expect.

the conflicting "All publicity is good publicity" and "No news is good news" spring to mind. The Pandora's box of reporting of women's football appears to have been opened quite wide.

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 01:48:02 AM »

"Kazakhstan are gonna have to go to Colchester and get a result, and if we beat them I would love it, love it"

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2017, 07:12:41 AM »
Ooooh :o No football to report on, so here's more vacuous pot-stirring:


Houghton: "I think it will be Holland who are the team under pressure"

2 seconds later*

Sampson: "Our mission is to become the best team on the planet"

He doesn't say which planet he means, but presumably earth. That's a lot of pressure to put on them!

*it wasn't in the same interview, although that would've been funnier

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2017, 08:26:29 AM »
Germany are gonners- long live the new queens of europe

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2017, 08:30:02 AM »

Who's that then? ;D

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2017, 09:21:17 AM »
whoever wins the tournament-

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2017, 10:29:54 AM »
To be fair don't England invest the most in womens football so no reason we shouldn't aim to be the best.   If you look at cycling, particularly track, money has turned GB from also rans into the dominant force as to be fair it did for Australia previously. 

Womens football is a bigger sport than track cycling and arguably less controllable but even so I see similarities.  Even in road cycling which is a fairly big sport we probably have more top riders in the last 5 years than we've had in the preceeding 50.   

The trick will be spending the money wisely - I'm not convinced we are creating the depth in womens football to create lasting success though my county seems less active than some others - local staff do have a big impact.

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2017, 01:35:57 PM »
I'm fed up with the whole coverage its all England, Engeeland, unlike the Welsh men last year who suddenly became Britain's representatives as they moved deeper into the tournament.  We keep being told how different women's football is and yet when old Marky boy gets the mic in his hands its like being back in the Premiership, exactly the thing WF doesn't need...

This thread is a valiant attempt to bring fun to some of Sampson's utterances but he pails in comparison to the likes of Ian Holloway.  Holloway interviews at their height were often a master class in the irreverent and the surreal... Classic Holloway quotes include...

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“He’s six foot something, fit as a flea, good looking – he’s got to have something wrong with him. Hopefully he’s hung like a hamster – That would make us all feel better. Having said that, me missus has got a pet hamster at home, and his cock’s massive.” – talking about Cristiano Ronaldo.

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“It was a bit cheeky wasn’t it? But I don’t think it was that bad. It would have been worse if he’d turned round and dropped the front of his shorts instead. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a couple of butt cheeks personally. (…) If anybody’s offended by seeing a backside, get real. Maybe they’re just jealous that he’s got a real nice tight one, with no cellulite or anything.” – on Manchester City midfielder Joey Barton mooning Everton fans

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“Apparently it’s my fault that the Titanic sank.” – on criticism from Plymouth Argyle fans during Leicester City’s match against Plymouth Argyle

or the classic...

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“I don’t see the problem with footballers taking their shirts off after scoring a goal? They enjoy it and the young ladies enjoy it too. I suppose that's one of the main reasons women come to football games, to see the young men take their shirts off. Of course they’d have to go and watch another game because my lads are as ugly as sin.” – about the new rule restricting footballers from removing their shirts during a match.

Mark Sampson by comparison is an amateur...
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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2017, 04:34:37 PM »
Womens football isn't really different though apart from the lack of money and less play acting.  It's the same clubs, same closed shop, same emphasis on the elite.   It used to be said women were less powerful but just as skilled so the game would be more attractive to watch but it's not, most games in the uk are a very pragmatic style of football.  The only way the womens game would develop on different lines would be if there were a separate FA.

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2017, 08:19:25 AM »
I preferred watching the ladies game before it went WSL- it was a pleasure to watch but now its gradually getting like the men's game, cut throat commercialism. Play acting is creeping in and arguing with refs was evident in this tournament but on the whole the players give 100% and try to play honestly .You can still stand next to opposing fans at matches and enjoy friendly banter without any argy bargy or getting a bottle thrown at you- Dont go much for Man City fans having said that- they make a constant din through out the game- and it is just a loud racket that diminishes any enjoyment.

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2017, 11:30:42 AM »
I was in the Utrecht fan zone in the first week of the Euros and it was a real party atmosphere, when the site was cleared to make way for Utrecht's Europa league match with Valletta arrests came within the first hours of fans arriving...so there are still some differences but I wasn't impressed with a lot of the England tactics thought it came to haunt them in the end with Jill Scott's replacement gifting Holland their second goal...


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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2017, 02:11:59 AM »

THIS IS NOT A FOOTBALL THREAD, stop talking about football >:(

(Those Ian Holloway quotes are incredible!)

OK, here's another classic:

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Aluko said the comments had “derogatory, racial and prejudicial connotations”.

Her evidence to the independent investigation is understood to have included the claim, as reported by the Guardian: “During a meeting with the midfielders’ unit of players, of which I was not present, MS (Sampson) used an analogy about pressing hard in midfield and getting a caution like a police caution. MS then addressed the player individually and said in relation to being cautioned by police: ‘Haven’t you been arrested before? Four times isn’t it?'”


Lol, oh god my sides :-\ Not interested in an "is he racist" argument as it probably won't be solved, but the answer to "Is this funny?" or "Is this good football management?" is a resounding "Shut up Mark".

Thread on the Aluko/England case is here.
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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2017, 04:28:39 PM »
If he'd said that to a white player there is no problem, it's a joke.    Clearly said to a black player it's open to the interpretation that you've been arrested because you're black but assuming that wasn't his intention it's an innocent comment.   

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2017, 08:56:32 PM »
He is a simpleton.

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Re: Mark Sampson's patter & Should he diss Southgate?
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2017, 06:15:07 AM »

SIMPLE SOCCER you say? :)

Looks like Sampson might get chucked by the FA over this, so let's get all the mileage out of this SampsonLolz thread as quickly as we can.
(Yes, instead of discussing any of the 50 important stories today. Do it yourself, I'll join in later.)

Was the comment about "England's simple soccer" maybe the reason for Sampson's trashtalk during Euro 2017?

Japan's coach Norio Sasaki famously dissed England's play as "simple soccer" in 2015 before their World Cup meeting. Or did he? Going back to the source, it seems he was misquoted.

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“As far as their offence [attack] is concerned, England seems to have a rather simple attacking tactic,” Sasaki said. “They feed the ball into the penalty area very well and they react to those crosses very well. That’s something we have to watch out for. But we also need to disrupt their rhythm so that we can play at our own pace and we don’t play at their rhythm.” ...

“As far as England is concerned, they have come so far and I’m sure they have good capabilities and a lot of good players. But we have prepared very well and hope to play very well against them.”

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'I don't know how England have made it this far, I'm trying to work it out now' :D

Then after the game:

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"They were playing in a simple manner and they were very strong," Sasaki said. "They had us in some tough situations especially on set pieces. We should have moved the ball better, but our goal was to go to the final and in that sense we did what we had to do."

He didn't dismiss it, he was more respectful than that. Although "simple soccer" is a great description of England's style, it came from a journalist, not the Japanese interpreter.

Sadly, Sampson's attempted catchphrase, "superhuman soccer", didn't catch on. With it being a 2-1 defeat...

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"Our players were super human (Wednesday)," Sampson said. "They ran themselves into the ground. Any loose ball on that field a white jersey was on it. And when you want to play like that, you need to play like you're super human and we demanded that before the game."

And that's why we got all the fighting talk this year!


Sasaki: super subtle disses
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