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Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« on: October 13, 2010, 07:02:20 PM »
The FA Cup winners and runners-up will qualify for the competition.

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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2010, 01:59:31 PM »
The access list has been updated for the 2011/12 and UEFA has changed the entry conditions and favored the top 8 countries.
Those 8 countries will have their 2 teams straight into the round of 32.  :o
It is strange considering Platini wanted to involve more of the smaller countries in the competition at least in the men's competition.

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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2010, 02:29:47 PM »
So no more group stages for old Everton...bah


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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2010, 03:33:57 PM »
If they reach the FA Cup final. I wouldn't be suprised if there is a list one WPL team in the final and in the Champions League.

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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 06:34:27 PM »
I wouldn't be suprised if there is a list one WPL team in the final and in the Champions League.

I would be :o to see any WPL team make the final of the FA Cup.
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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 06:51:27 PM »
I wouldn't be suprised if there is a list one WPL team in the final and in the Champions League.

I would be :o to see any WPL team make the final of the FA Cup.
All you need is a) a kind draw b) good peformances on the day of the semi-final c) a referee giving out wrong decision and I have seen many in cup games enough to eliminate a team last season... >:(
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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2011, 12:20:10 PM »
Who is in the running for the top 10 countries :

GER : Turbine Postdam, 1.FFC Frankfurt
SWE : LDB Malmo, Goteborg SWE
FRA : OL need one draw to qualify in the remaining 5 games  + Montpellier, PSG or Juvisy.
RUS : Rossiyanka, FC Energy Voronezh
ENG : 2 from Sunderland, Arsenal, Millwall, Bristol, Liverpool, Doncaster, Barnet, West Ham
DAN :
ITA:
ISL : Valur Reykjavik, Þór/KA
NOR : Stabaek
AUS :
 

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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2011, 02:29:41 PM »
GER : Turbine Postdam*, 1.FFC Frankfurt*
SWE : LDB Malmö*, Göteborg*
FRA : Lyon*, PSG*
RUS : Rossiyanka*, FC Energy Voronezh*
ENG : Arsenal*, Bristol*
DAN : Brøndby*, Hjørring*
ITA: Torres*, Tavagnacco
ISL : Valur Reykjavik*, Þór/KA
NOR : Stabaek
AUT: Neulengbach*
CZE: Sparta Praha*

the teams with stars will be seeded.

Rayo Vallecano (the team that nearly knocked off Arsenal) may have to go through qualification, but only if there's 54 entries - unlikely given there were 51 last year.

Qualifying should have 7-9 teams going through from 7 groups; the top seeds there are likely to be PAOK (GRE), Raciborz (POL, needs to win league still), Legenda Chernihiv (UKR), Sarajevo (BIH), MTK (HUN, needs to win league), Krka (SVN), 1st December (POR).

In pot 2 there are teams like Babruichanka (BLR - may get bye), Limassol (CYP), Glasgow City (SCO), PK-35 Vantaa (FIN) and YB (SUI - may get bye to main round) - not necessarily a weaker pot.
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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2011, 11:06:56 AM »
Here are the teams that will be seeded:

Lyon

Arsenal

Turbine Potsdam

FFC Frankfurt

FC Rossiyanka

Brøndby

Torres

SV Neulengbach

Fortuna Hjørring

Sparta Praha

Valur

LdB Malmö

Kopparbergs/Göteborg FC

Paris St. German

FC Energiya Voronezh

Bristol Academy or Rayo Vallecano (Rayo has to play qualifying, but will be seeded if they qualify. If not Bristol will be seeded).

Also qulified for the last 32:

ASD U.P.C. Graphistudio Tavagnacco

Standard Liège

Stabæk

CSHVSM

KA

FC Twente

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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2011, 11:44:55 AM »
Come on Rayo Vallecano  ;) Bristol against a big team  ( Frankfurt, Potsdam or OL) would be a very good game to watch.

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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2011, 12:17:42 PM »

Bristol Academy or Rayo Vallecano (Rayo has to play qualifying, but will be seeded if they qualify. If not Bristol will be seeded).


Sneaky UEFA. Changed the association coefficient from 50 to 33 %.
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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2011, 12:33:54 PM »
When did they do that ? I have not seen any communication on the website ?

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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2011, 12:36:59 PM »
When did they do that ? I have not seen any communication on the website ?

Look in the new rule book. ( http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/63/17/06/1631706_DOWNLOAD.pdf )

Specifically, article 7.02, page 9.
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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2011, 12:59:15 PM »
Right new rule book. They have also upped the number of medals from 25 to 30.
It will avoid the problem that happened in 2006/07 with Arsenal.
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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2011, 03:28:06 PM »
Samuel V.

Sneaky UEFA. Changed the association coefficient from 50 to 33 %.

This has already happened 7 years ago at the request of some countries/clubs in the men's coeffficient-ranking method!

link: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/index.html

Date: May 2, 2004
From: uefadirect - number 25 - May 2004
Remark: Text only, see UEFA document for original lay-out.
New coefficient calculation method
Copyright © 2004 UEFA

The Executive Committee approved a change to the way in which the club
coefficients used to determine which teams are seeded for draws are calculated.
Until now, half of the national association's coefficient was added to the
points obtained by the club during the previous five seasons. But from now on,
the national association "contribution" will be only 33%.

In addition, as from 2004/05, the clubs which qualify for the first knock-out
round, the quarter-finals, the semi-finals and the final of the UEFA Champions
League, or for the quarter-finals, semi-finals and final of the UEFA Cup, will
earn a bonus point for every round (maximum of four points in the UEFA Champions
League and three in the UEFA Cup). Three bonus points will also be awarded for
taking part in the UEFA Champions League group stage (as opposed to one point at
present). These points will not be awarded retroactively.

The new system will also affect the national association coefficient, which is
calculated according to the results of all of an association's clubs in the UEFA
club competitions during the previous five seasons. These rankings are used to
determine how many clubs each association can enter for the UEFA Champions
League and UEFA Cup as well as the point at which they start out in these
competitions.

At the moment it is 20%
link:http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/calc.html

UEFA Team Ranking
The UEFA team coefficients are calculated as the sum of the number of points of each individual team, and 20% of the country coefficient. From 2004-2008 the contribution of the country coefficient was 33%, and before 2004 the contribution of the country coefficient was 50%. See the team coefficients of 2009 for an example of such a calculation.
 

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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2011, 04:08:07 PM »
Samuel V.

Sneaky UEFA. Changed the association coefficient from 50 to 33 %.

This has already happened 7 years ago at the request of some countries/clubs in the men's coeffficient-ranking method!


Yeah, and now they're down to 20 %, so it's still not equal. (Not that I want it equal, I think it should be even higher for the women, because the difference in league quality is even larger than on the men's side)

I think Rosenborg were one of the clubs arguing for that as they felt they weren't given enough reward for their European success. Now Norwegian women's clubs are hurt by it as we actually have a competitive league (unlike, say, Austria and the Czech Republic)

(my unofficial calculations also have Glasgow City in pot 2, so something more must be going on...)
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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2011, 04:54:22 PM »
@Samuel,

Yes Samuel, that's correct, Rosenberg was one of the teams, but also Dutch, Belgian and Scottish teams.

They argued that the difference between the "Top 5" (Spain, England, Italy, Germany and France) was

growing and growing and that it was impossible for them to "catch up!"


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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2011, 10:30:01 PM »
OK, go figure, they've realised giving clubs 0.25 points for the qualifying round regardless of whether they got thumped 20-0 or were knocked out on goal difference was a bad idea. Hence Glasgow move up to pot 1.

This also puts Klaksvik in pot 2. Surely a Faroese record for any sport, except possibly long-distance swimming.
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Lyon lead record Women's Champions League entry
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2011, 11:45:16 AM »
Champions Olympique Lyonnais lead a record entry of 54 clubs for the 2011/12 edition with Albania and Latvia represented for the first time on the road to the 17 May final in Munich.

Holders Olympique Lyonnais lead a record entry of 54 clubs from 46 nations for the 2011/12 UEFA Women's Champions League, with Albania and Latvia represented for the first time.

Lyon beat previous champions 1. FFC Turbine Potsdam 2-0 in London last month to claim France's first title and those two clubs are among 22 given a bye to the round of 32. Included in that number are the runners-up from the eight top-ranked nations, who previously began in the qualifying round.

The remaining 32 national champions will start at that stage, and on 23 June will be drawn into eight groups of four to be played as one-venue mini-tournaments from 11 to 16 August. Each of those sides has been ranked according to their coefficient, and one team from the four seeding positions will be placed in every group. Eight teams have also been designated as hosts and will be drawn from a separate pot, placed in their group according to their seeding position.

All eight group winners plus the two best runners-up will proceed to the draw for the round of 32 and 16 on 23 August, with the two-legged knockout phase beginning the following month. Teams entering for the first time seeded straight to the last 32 include Sweden's Göteborg FC, English team Bristol Academy WFC and French runners-up Paris Saint-Germain FC.

Sole three-time European champions 1. FFC Frankfurt return to the competition, making a total of four past winners in this season's competition, including Lyon, Potsdam and Arsenal LFC. The final will be in Munich on Thursday 17 May 2012.


Bye to round of 32 (*national runners-up)
Olympique Lyonnais (FRA, holders)
Arsenal LFC (ENG)
1. FFC Turbine Potsdam (GER)
1. FFC Frankfurt (GER)*
FC Rossiyanka (RUS)
Brøndby IF (DEN)
ASD Torres CF (ITA)
SV Neulengbach (AUT)
Fortuna Hjørring (DEN) *
AC Sparta Praha (CZE)
Valur Reykjavík (ISL)
WFC Malmö (SWE)
Göteborg FC (SWE)*
Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA)*
FC Energiya Voronezh (RUS)*
Bristol Academy WFC (ENG)*
UPC Tavagnacco (ITA)*
R. Standard de Liège (BEL)
Stabæk Football (NOR)
CSHVSM (KAZ)
Thór/KA (ISL)*
FC Twente (NED)

Qualifying round (**hosts)
Seeding position 1
Rayo Vallecano de Madrid (ESP, Pot 5)
FC PAOK (GRE, 5)
RTP Unia Racibórz (POL, 5)
Legend Chernigov (UKR, 5)
FC NSA Sofia (BUL, 5)
SU 1 ° Dezembro (POR, 1)**
Glasgow City LFC (SCO, 5)
WFC SFK 2000 Sarajevo (BIH, 1)**

Seeding position 2
ŽNK Krka (SVN, 1)**
MTK Hungária FC (HUN, 4)
Gintra Universitetas (LTU, 4)
Apollon Limassol LFC (CYP, 1)**
FC Bobruchanka (BLR, 4)
KÍ Klaksvík (FRO, 4)
PK-35 Vantaa (FIN, 1)**
BSC Young Boys (SUI, 4)

Seeding position 3
ŽFK Spartak Jaffa (SRB, 1)**
ASA Tel-Aviv FC (ISR, 3)
ŠK Slovan Bratislava (SVK, 3)
Swansea City Ladies AFC (WAL, 3)
Olimpia Cluj-Napoca (ROU, 3)
WFC Osijek (CRO, 1)**
Peamount United (IRL, 3)
CS Galiador-SS 11 Chisinau MDA, 3)

Seeding position 4
Crusaders FC (NIR, 2)
Ataşehir Belediyespor (TUR, 2)
Pärnu FC (EST, 2)
ZFK Nase Taksi-SNT 2010 (MKD, 1)**
ADA (ALB, 2)
SK Liepājas Metalurgs (LVA, 2)
FC Progrès Niedercon (LUX, 2)
Mosta FC (MLT, 2)

http://www.uefa.com/womenschampionsleague/news/newsid=1642334.html

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Re: Champions League 2011/12 : The road to Munchen
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2011, 01:26:16 PM »
draw

Group 1: PAOK, Young Boys, Chisinau, Nashe Taxi*
Group 2: 1o Dezembro*, MTK, Tel Aviv, Liepaja
Group 3: Rayo, Krka*, Peamount Utd, Pärnu
Group 4: Sarajevo*, Gintra-Universitetas, Cluj, Atasehir
Group 5: Glasgow City, Klaksvík, Spartak Jaffa Subotica*, Mosta
Group 6: Unia Racibórz, Vantaa*, Slovan Bratislava, Ada Velipojë
Group 7: Lehenda Chernihiv, Limassol*, Swansea, Niedercorn
Group 8: NSA Sofia, Bobruichanka, Osijek*, Crusaders Newtownabbey Strikers

favourites: Young Boys, 1o Dezembro (just), Rayo (easily), Cluj (worst group and thus probably an easy pass for a runner-up), Glasgow (they'll be happy with a draw for a change), Racibórz (close group), Lehenda (close top-two, Limassol to follow on runners-up), Bobruichanka.
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