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Offline BillyBoy

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Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« on: October 18, 2008, 12:35:38 PM »
Excuse my Swedish translation if it's not so good.

Second placed teams in UEFA Cup

UEFA’s women’s committee took on Friday the decision of recommending that the Women’s Cup also includes a number of second placed teams.

Eight teams that come second in their respective countries’ highest league will also get permission to participate in the cup that starts in the autumn of 2009, said Susanne Erlandsson who is a member of the women’s committee.

Another decision we are putting forward to UEFA’s executive committee is that the final will only comprise of one match played at a neutral venue. The executive committee will make the final decision later this month. I see it as a sign of the strong development of women’s football at the elite level that we can get this new order.

Which of the eight leagues will get the chance to contribute another team will be decided by UEFA and will be based on previous successes in the cup amongst other things. It would therefore appear certain that Umeå IK will have earned an additional place for the Swedish league.

Fifty three teams participated in the current tournament and that would increase to sixty one next time.

Source: http://www.damfotboll.com/nyheter/nyhet.asp?id=8428

I suspect the English league will also be included as they currently seem to be seeded for the later group stage. It will also add interest to the domestic league with second place offering qualification.



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Re: Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 01:35:41 PM »
Great news indeed for the big european leagues :

Here are the National Association coefficient for 2008/09

GER 78
SWE 72.5
ENG 48
FRA 40
DEN 39
RUS 34
NOR 32
ITA 28.5

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ISL 25
NED 19.5
BLR 19.5
SPA 19
CZE 18
AUT 16.5
BEL14

Club coefficient

1 FRANKFURT 99 GER
2 UMEA 97.25 SWE
3 ARSENAL 66 ENG
4 BRONDBY 58.5 DEN
5 DUISBOURG 39 GER
6 LYON 35 FRA
7 VERONA 28.75 ITA
8 REYKJAVIK 25.5 ISL
9 NEULENGBACH 24.75 AUT
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10 PRAHA 21 RTC
11VITEBSK 19.25 BLR
12 WROCLAW 19.25 POL
13 ALMA 19 KAZ
14 ROA 18 NOR
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Re: Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 07:53:01 PM »
Gee that would be really good if they were to do that...Everton would have a great chance of going back into Europe...


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Re: Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 09:26:25 PM »
The UEFA has always taken into account both club and national association for the number of teams in the Champions' league with NA coeff used to attribute the number of side who are allowed to enter and club coefficient for the ranking in the different hats.

I would assume the same process would apply for the revamped women's cup.
Germany and Sweden are obviously safe such is their lead over the other countries but for
the next 6 spots a lot could be depending on a good showing at Euro 2009 in Finland.

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Re: Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 10:08:51 PM »
I don't know how those coefficients are calculated, but surely there'd be 2 English Prem league teams in it if 8 are added.
Maybe even 3 if Arsenal go in as holders next season ;)
(Well, I can hope  ;D)
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Re: Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 12:47:04 AM »
The UEFA has always taken into account both club and national association for the number of teams in the Champions' league with NA coeff used to attribute the number of side who are allowed to enter and club coefficient for the ranking in the different hats.

That is not true.  The performance of the national team is not taken into account when working out the coefficient of a club side.  The coefficients of the Greek clubs did not increase following Greece winning the European Championships in 2004.  The national association coefficient is generated from the performance of the teams from that particular association in UEFA competitions.

A club coefficient, which is used for seeding purposes is made of the number of points obtained by the club in UEFA club competitions over the last five seasons plus 33 percent of its national association coefficient. It does not take into account the qualifying round matches as far as individual club performances are concerned. So Liverpool and Arsenal did not gain any coefficient points from the Champions League qualifying wins.

Basically the allocation of places per association for both the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup is made in accordance with a table of performances covering the previous five UEFA club competition seasons.

This table (UEFA association coefficient rankings) is compiled annually, with the oldest season dropped each time for the purpose of the calculation. The table is compiled as follows: two points for a win (one point for qualifying round matches), one point for a draw (half point for qualifying round matches) and no points for a defeat.

Qualifying round results are taken into account only for the calculation of the association’s coefficient.

Clubs which reach the first knock-out round, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Champions League or the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Cup are awarded an extra point for each round. In addition, three points are awarded for participation in the UEFA Champions League.

The points obtained each season by the clubs representing a national association are added, then divided by the combined number of clubs from the said association having taken part in the two UEFA club competitions in question to produce the coefficient value of the national association concerned. Coefficients are calculated to the thousandth, and not rounded up. England's men clubs are doing well with the coefficient system with so many of the clubs progressing well in European competitions. Arsenal Ladies coefficient improved this season following Everton's involment in UEFA group stage last season.

The same UEFA club coefficient scoring system is used for all UEFA club competitions so Arsenal's coefficient will improve next season as the 2003/4 season, which was the only season the club failed to qualify for, is dropped and replaced by the 2008/9 season.  Arsenal's coefficient will account for 1 x winners, 1 x SF, 2 x QF and at least one more QF from the 2008/9 season. The only other English team who'll qualify for a coefficient ranking is Everton as Fulham's performance in 03/04 will not be included in the calculations.

I haven't properly worked it all out yet but I think Arsenal's top 3 position in the rankings is safe. So England would ceertainly get an additional team in Europe if UEFA use the coefficient ranking system to decide who gains extra places in the UEFA Womens Cup.
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Women's Champions League launches in 2009
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2008, 06:01:52 PM »
Women's Champions League launches in 2009

by Paul Saffer

A new UEFA Women's Champions League is to be launched in 2009/10 with more entrants and a high-profile one-off final.

Changes

Changes to the existing UEFA Women's Cup, including the new name, were agreed by the UEFA Executive Committee today in Nyon. Launched in 2001/02, the competition currently runs with two single-venue qualifying group stages involving the champion club of the entrant associations followed by knockout rounds from the quarter-finals onwards, played on a home and away basis.

Extra home games

Under the new format, the UEFA Women's Champions League will include just one round of mini-tournaments, including for the first time the runners-up from the top eight ranked nations, with the qualifiers to join the top-seeded clubs in the Round of 32. From this stage the UEFA Women's Champions League will be played on a two-legged knockout basis, giving clubs more opportunity to have games at their home ground.

Showpiece final

The other major innovation is the replacement of the two-legged final with a one-off decider, to be played two nights before the UEFA Champions League final in the same city, part of a week-long celebration of football. In principle, therefore, the first UEFA Women's Champions League final will be held in Madrid on Thursday 20 May 2010.

New identity

UEFA competitions director Giorgio Marchetti said: "The UEFA Women's Cup is UEFA's most important women's club competition and is top quality women's club football. We believe that by changing the format, as well as the name and brand identity, as part of a competition repositioning this will increase its appeal and position it in its rightful place alongside UEFA's top men's club competition, the UEFA Champions League."

Current season

Meanwhile, the 2008/09 UEFA Women's Cup is currently at the semi-final stage, scheduled for 28/29 March and 4/5 April 2009. Russian champions Zvezda-2005 will play two-time winners Umeå IK of Sweden in one tie and the other matches Olympique Lyonnais with Germany's FCR 2001 Duisburg. The winners will face off in the last two-legged final on 16 and 23 May.

Source: http://www.uefa.com/competitions/womencup/news/kind=1/newsid=781313.html



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Re: Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2008, 11:21:57 PM »
So, as things stand atm, both Arsenal and Everton will be competing next year then?  ;)

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Re: Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 12:36:36 PM »
Clubs might find it difficult to meet the costs if there is more travel..also whats happening to the UEFA Cup?


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Re: Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 02:05:36 PM »
It is replaced by the Champions League, it is marketing ploy  ;D

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Re: Second placed teams in UEFA Cup
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 06:57:33 PM »
Clubs might find it difficult to meet the costs if there is more travel..

Yes there is that and from what we've seen before clubs might indeed struggle, but we don't know what additional support UEFA might be giving, and that might help overcome that problem.