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« on: July 02, 2017, 05:30:16 AM »
Women's Football Show on BBC remains conspicuous for its overall lack of coverage of anything which is outside of WSL 1, Women's FA Cup, England internationals and Women's Champions League.

I think the programme where the coverage given to Everton winning WSL 2 Spring Series and the focus on clubs being able to apply to replace Notts County exceeded the sum of WSL 2, FAWPL etc for the Spring Series which amazingly, according to one of the commentators, only started 6 weeks ago, so those WSL 2 Spring Series games from February and March would appear to be figments of the imagination.



So, discuss! What's on TV, and what should be on TV? (Also including Eurosport, club channels, BBC radio and any other broadcast coverage.)

The big news this month is that Channel 4 will show the women's Euros, and it doesn't look completely terrible!

Well, there's still time. :)
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2017, 07:28:19 AM »
Another thing – how do you think TV coverage is affected by the new WSL winter calendar (2017/18)?

Congrats to Chelsea.
Shame that when winter football returns the game will disappear in to TV oblivion, but hey that's What Emma Hayes wants to challange in Champions league. She confuses team  organisation with English football getting closer to the standard of continental football.


It is a worry, but aren't we already in TV oblivion? The Spring Series was on terrestrial BBC late at night, they stuck their live games on the website, and BT reduced their offering to just 3 games. England matches this year have had some bizarre coverage, usually online and announced the day before. That Switzerland game was marred by crowd bubbles.

The advantage of a summer league is you're not up against men's football... except World Cups or Euros every other year, plus popular summer sports every year. In winter, the way things are now, women's football is bound to clash with something in the men's Premier League.
But surely we can rely on the FA's scheduling skills?


The big news this month is that Channel 4 will show the women's Euros, and it doesn't look completely terrible!

Well, relatively. When Channel 4 won the bid, their plans sounded very bare-bones, and they've only committed to show a few games on Channel 4. The rest will be on their website or More4. By comparison, four years ago the BBC showed 15 live games, mostly on BBC Three.

The personnel aren't who I expected - Clare Balding hosting, and Wrighty?! - but it sounds like male ex-players will be one per match, rather than any Humphrey bantz. I suspect C4 are thinking commercially that it help the 'big (male) tournament feel'. But female pundits do appear on men's football. The documentary sounds good, and the tournament advert is superb:

- http://www.channel4.com/programmes/uefa-womens-euro-2017/videos/all/uefa-womens-euro-press-launch/5488871236001

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Clare Balding, Ian Wright, Michael Owen, Jermaine Jenas and three of the women’s games most capped players Chelsea Ladies’ Eni Aluko, Arsenal Ladies’ Heather O’Reilly and England’s record goal scorer Kelly Smith – and Scotland star Kim Little who agonisingly missed out on these EUROs due to injury.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 06:20:24 AM »

Eurosport is confirmed to be showing Euro 2017 - every game in the first week, mainly on British Eurosport 2. http://www.live-footballontv.com/live-football-on-british-eurosport.html

Some other countries' broadcasters here: http://www.womenssoccerunited.com/where-to-watch-euro-2017/
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2017, 04:30:50 PM »
The bt coverage when it was a full summer was good, now the have used hockey as the summer schedule filler rather than womens football.

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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2017, 09:00:49 AM »
People watch hockey?


In Channel 4 updates, it seems like they'll be streaming most of the Euro 2017 games, if the programme page is accurate.

But apart from England and Scotland, C4's televised coverage looks poor. No sign of highlights, or any other teams' matches even on the minor channels.

To add to that, maybe Channel 4 need to update their slang...


No argument that the players are heroic, and they're made to look it. But "Game Changer" has become such a cliché, the FA already wore it out about four years ago. Surprising that an ad agency would choose to use it.

Just check Google News, everything's a bloomin' game-changer...
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2017, 08:48:54 AM »

Blisteringly good article on women's football coverage and the big problems. But will C4's quality make up for lack of quantity?

Printed in full because we can :)


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Channel 4 has a real opportunity to up the profile of women’s football in its UEFA coverage

Beth Fielding-Lloyd
Principal Lecturer in Sport Studies, Sheffield Hallam University



For the first time, this year’s UEFA Women’s Euro tournament will be televised live in the UK on Channel 4.

Previous international women’s football tournaments have been shown on British television channels – the 2015 FIFA Women’s World Cup had a strong reception on the BBC for example – but this is the first time that Channel 4 has won the rights to one.

But simply showing the matches isn’t enough this time around. The UK needs a broadcaster that will build a new television audience for women’s football, bringing it to the forefront of the summer sports calendar – and Channel 4 just might be up to the task.

Channel 4 has a longstanding reputation as an innovative broadcaster which prides itself on producing creative and diverse content, including sports coverage. The channel was the first to bring American football to UK television screens in 1982, while their coverage of the Paralympics, and spin-off show The Last Leg, has been, on the whole, well received. With such a positive background, hopes are high that Channel 4 will have a similar impact on women’s football coverage.

The commission does not come without challenge, however. Our own research has found that British media coverage of the last Women’s World Cup in 2015 was problematic, and did not serve to build a new audience for women’s sport as anticipated.

The press firmly placed responsibility on England’s women players to prove that they, and the sport in general, were worth watching. There was little acknowledgement of the difficulties that women’s football has had to overcome due to a lack of financial resource, poor infrastructure and relative negligence on the part of the Football Association (FA).

This is in stark contrast to the England men’s team, whose failure at the 2014 World Cup was blamed by the media on a range of issues separate to actual performance: from poor coaching and team selection, to the proliferation of foreign players in the Premier League, to overly extravagant FA spending.

Though we did find that the coverage of England’s women was positive, with increasing praise of their performance as the World Cup progressed, it was often patronising in tone. Reporters struggled to talk about women’s sport without directly mentioning men’s: player Fran Kirby was England’s Lionel Messi; team mate Jodie Taylor’s idol was Wayne Rooney. And the team’s potential for success was frequently compared to historic male success in 1966 and 1990.


Channel 4’s challenge

How Channel 4 now represents the UEFA tournament, and England’s performance, could have a real impact on television audiences’ attitudes to women’s football. Pitched the right way, Channel 4 could potentially be at the forefront of a whole new media attitude to women’s football. But the broadcaster must be careful that its tone is not solely reliant on England’s performance on the pitch.

The idea that women’s football is something novel or new should have by now been dispelled. But as we’re still labouring under this myth, the UEFA air time could be used to promote the wider context of women’s football, and show just how important, relevant and popular the sport is today.

For the past six years, England’s first professional league for female footballers – the Women’s Super League – has been up and running. And, looking further back in time, there is a rich history of women’s football that Britain should be aware of. The Dick, Kerr Ladies, for example, was a factory team based in Lancashire, that played international matches in Europe in the 1920s and attracted over 50,000 people to a game at Goodison Park. Women’s football clubs even managed to survive while the FA effectively banned women’s football for 50 years until 1971. And there are strong rivalries between clubs such as Arsenal, Manchester City and Liverpool alive and well today. These are the kinds of soap opera narratives that fans of men’s football are well accustomed to, and they need to be told in women’s football too.

In broadcasting the Women’s Euros, Channel 4 needs to uphold its standing as a distinctive broadcaster by offering audiences something they haven’t seen before. It needs to challenge its audience to understand women’s football on its own terms, and must unpatronisingly praise good play and criticise poor play as warranted. It should convey the culture and traditions of women’s football and, most importantly, avoid lazy comparisons with the male game.

So are they up to the challenge? We’re going to have to wait for kick off to find out.




I suppose she wrote that thinking C4 would show more than just the home nations. Here is the match list:

- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEmdBVDXkAA1rrE.png

Small but significant error - Channel 4 can't show both England v Portugal and Scotland v Spain. They're played simultaneously. And they're bound to pick England for ratings, and bump Scotland's game to More4, even it's more interesting. So, why pretend?

Living in a different country where women's sport is invisible on TV is no fun, I can say. But on the plus side, in those countries UEFA will stream games on YouTube. :o
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 08:23:43 AM »
The big news this month is that Channel 4 will show the women's Euros, and it doesn't look completely terrible!

So, I was wrong, day 1 of their coverage was a disaster.

- https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2226899/womens-football-euro-2017/p3

- https://twitter.com/Channel4/status/886595990978953216


UEFA's webstream for non-football-playing nations is better quality!

The issue isn't so much that Channel 4 are keeping the tournament off all their TV channels. They've admitted they'd do that ever since they won the rights. It's business to them. The problem is 1) the disrespect to the sport in failing to stream it well, and 2) the hype machine, which claims C4 is a risk-taking broadcaster, when it's no edgier than ITV or Channel 5, or Sky for that matter. Hype is all they have.

They're underestimating women's football in an important way. In the Men's World Cup, you get millions of viewers even when it's teams that aren't well-known. Women's isn't on the same scale, but in big summer tournaments, it's the tournament that's the star.

By not even putting the Euros on a small channel, C4 prove they have absolutely no willingness to build an audience for it. And yet they have spent money making a primetime documentary about it! They'll take the decent England ratings, and grudgingly show Scotland even though the ratings won't be very good. If that's their attitude, I hope they stop showing women's football as soon as the Euros end.

The only possible other way is if Scotland and England get more viewers than expected. C4 have committed to a low number of the knockout games, but might be convinced to improve their meagre offering if there's ad money in it :-\
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2017, 01:19:17 PM »
I thought the ABC down under gave the worst coverage of football ever (mens AFC cup held in Aus) , but this takes the biscuit .
Was at least expecting a 30 min days review on main channel.
Must have blown the budget on the auditions for the advert, 1st in London then in Manchester.

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2017, 09:31:01 AM »

Tonight, Channel 4: it's gonna be weird


(Thanks to the Mirror for this awesome photoshop job)
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2017, 09:00:05 PM »

Channel 4 updates: Several Euros games have been promoted to TV, so it's not all bad, but coverage is still fairly random and mostly online.

Today's two games (Friday) Sweden-Russia and Germany-Italy, have been on More4. Apparently commentary was out of sync, but it's something.

Scotland-Portugal has been bumped to More4 (Sunday 5pm), to make way for C4's last night of the World Para Athletics. Shame the 6-0 defeat was seen widely, but not the game Scotland are capable of winning.

France v Switzerland will be live on More4 (Wednesday 7.45pm), and England and Scotland on different channels on Thursday.

Quarter-finals are all scheduled to be shown on UK TV, split between Channel 4 and More4. That's on Sat 29 July and Sun 30 July, although UEFA haven't yet announced which games get which timeslots (5pm/7.45pm). From UEFA's current order, if the seeds win the groups, on the Sunday we'd have England at 5pm, before France at 7.45pm.

Just wonder why on earth C4 didn't do this earlier? Netherlands v Norway was a great opening match starring UK-based players, but the British free-to-view coverage was a dodgy webstream.



In the ratings, England v Scotland got similar viewership to England's matches at the 2015 World Cup.

- https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/comment/87096033#Comment_87096033


I thought the ABC down under gave the worst coverage of football ever (mens AFC cup held in Aus) , but this takes the biscuit .

ABC aren't rich, they just take what they're given - I think they did a deal with Fox Sports for certain games. New Zealand sports coverage is definitely worse. :'( No Aussie list of free events, no UK crown jewels which will surely include women's football in future...?
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2017, 06:43:26 AM »
Feels weird to say it when its been such slim pickings, but every Euros matchnight from now on will get FTA coverage.

Starting with one of tonight's games, which has a bearing on England's presumed QF opponent:

France v Switzerland will be live on More4 (Wednesday 7.45pm), and England and Scotland on different channels [C4/More4] on Thursday.

Quarter-finals are all scheduled to be shown on UK TV, split between Channel 4 and More4. That's on Sat 29 July and Sun 30 July, although UEFA haven't yet announced which games get which timeslots (5pm/7.45pm). From UEFA's current order, if the seeds win the groups, on the Sunday we'd have England at 5pm, before France at 7.45pm.


Channel 4 is also doing wall-to-wall coverage of the two semi-finals, from 4.30pm until 10.00pm on Thursday 3 August, pending any extra time etc.

The choice of two quarter-final times is still up in the air! Got to presume it's a TV decision. Germany have got the Saturday night game at 7.45pm (BST). For the Sunday, if we ended up with England v France in one game, and (say) Portugal v Austria in the other, then the bigger nations would surely get the 7.45 slot, not 5pm. It's currently undecided. Never mind the fans with tickets! :( This is the confirmation for Saturday:

- http://www.uefa.com/womenseuro/news/newsid=2487924.html

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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2017, 06:44:15 AM »
It's reported that Austrian TV moved a men's CL qualifier earlier so they could show Austria-Iceland on Wednesday night, but it wasn't at short notice - the blokes' game was scheduled at least a week ago, maybe longer, before Austria's women shocked France in a 1-1 draw. That game got a 22% share of the TV rating in Austria.


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A quarter-final between England and France now looks likely on Sunday... Possible pick for primetime (7.45)?

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2017, 08:30:06 PM »
A quarter-final between England and France now looks likely on Sunday... Possible pick for primetime (7.45)?

Yup, it's on.

SATURDAY: Netherlands v Sweden (5pm, More4 - Germany v Denmark (7.45pm, Channel 4)

SUNDAY: Austria v Spain (5pm More4) - England v France (7.45pm, Channel 4)


England-Portugal TV ratings on C4 were about the same as ever, 1.3m average 2m peak (not sure about Scotland-Spain at the same time). In Austria things stepped up again against Iceland - just under 900,000 saw the 2nd half on average, about a tenth of the whole population :o

Spain has the worst channel and TV ratings of the large nations involved - well, dunno about Russia - but on Teledeporte they got an estimated 238,000, 408,000 and 345,000 viewers for their three games, and Sunday's Spain quarter-final won't be on a mainstream TV channel either. This is a country with some of the best attendances in Europe for women's football >:(

In Germany, 7 million saw Deutschland v Russland women's (the programme average, as far as I can tell).

So, if you're wondering why their team usually wins...


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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2017, 08:39:09 PM »
Great- hope a big tv audience tunes in to watch the England Ladies knock the French madams out of Euro 17-

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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2017, 08:47:03 PM »
Remember when they had to scramble and lobby just to get a World Cup quarter-final onto BBC Two? It went very well as I recall. :o

- www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt81PVytEJ4

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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2017, 08:52:38 PM »
i am urging as many football fans as i know to watch it-  . i do prefer Lucy Ward to any other summariser tbh-

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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2017, 08:58:06 PM »
Thanks to you Cabbages and your 3.3 million friends :)

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3.3 million peak audience for #ENGFRA last night on @channel4.That’s a massive figure. Well done @Lionesses for making so many want to watch


According to slick media types, the 2 million average audience is the biggest UK women's football TV rating. It's understandably higher than the midnight Eng-Japan at 2015 World Cup, but the 'record' is quickly thrown into doubt. The 2002 FA Women's Cup final on BBC One got 2.5 million viewers (average?/peak?), and we can wonder what would happen if the Euros were on a bigger channel. Speaking of which, Channel 4 showed the 1989 WFA Cup, apparently getting audiences of "up to two million" or "up to three million" ??? Lest they forget.

In Germany, nearly 4 million people watched the game that never was, and even more saw their shock defeat. Austria-Spain may have been very dull, but the Austrians tuned in in their droves.
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2017, 12:50:52 AM »
According to slick media types, the 2 million average audience is the biggest UK women's football TV rating. It's understandably higher than the midnight Eng-Japan at 2015 World Cup, but the 'record' is quickly thrown into doubt.

Daily Mail is reporting it as a record, so now we know it's not true.

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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2017, 07:28:16 AM »
Thursday night's match between England Ladies and Holland Ladies will be watched by a large number of people who dont usually watch the Ladies game- in just the same way as the Olympics reached a larger audience. If England dont reach the final, it will be interesting to know what the ratings are like for that match.

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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2017, 09:06:22 AM »

Oh, the record should be broken by Thursday's semi-final, let alone if England reach the final.

But thank you again Cabbages, Sunday's quarter-final was definitely no record:

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GB's women's football team's 1-0 win over Brazil last night was watched by a peak of 3.9 million viewers, with 3.3 million viewers watching on BBC3 and 555,000 on BBC Olympics 4.

BBC3's evening Olympics programme, which also included volleyball highlights, averaged 1.6 million viewers, a 7.2% share, between 7pm and 11pm.


The live match would certainly have averaged more than 2 million, but was part of a 4-hour show with a lower average. The real story here is "Journos in record-breaking gullibility shocker".

This time they're not up against the Olympics on another channel. England should beat the GB-Brazil mark this week.

Here's that full game, from 2012 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0gMzZt4zNQ


GB v Brazil 2012 is top of the TV charts... for now
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